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Plan for California to secede from United States picking up steam
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Posted on 01/28/2017 10:33:16 AM PST by TigerClaws

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To: TigerClaws

Zero chance, political stunt...


161 posted on 01/28/2017 1:45:01 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Boomer

some northern California counties along the Oregon border. And a few Oregon counties as well.


162 posted on 01/28/2017 1:49:43 PM PST by Pelham (liberate Occupied California)
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To: HangnJudge

The victors write the histories so the history books read the southern states seized federal property. In reality the states created the federal government and were taking back their property from the feds. Just pointing out a view of states rights, not endorsing slavery as it existing pre civil war I.


163 posted on 01/28/2017 1:51:12 PM PST by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: American in Israel

Can you add San Diego to that state?


164 posted on 01/28/2017 1:56:15 PM PST by Foolsgold (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: miele man

Bump for later reading.


165 posted on 01/28/2017 2:05:36 PM PST by miele man
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To: TigerClaws
There's a whole LOT of problems with this.

Let's assume California actually DOES secede ...

They've thoroughly screwed up everything about their agriculture and fishing, so they'll need to be financed BIGLY just to operate.

Faggots shitting in the streets of SF don't pay taxes.

What country would LOVE to own 4/5 of the west coast of the USA ?

This is a stupid idea

166 posted on 01/28/2017 2:07:25 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: American in Israel
Californians in rural areas are predominantly conservative.

They are also much better armed than the residents of the "blue" counties, with the possible exception of ghetto dwellers. In addition, the "red" counties contain most of the state's reservoirs, so California could have trouble getting enough water should they decide to pull a West Virginia and secede from the state in order to remain in the union.

167 posted on 01/28/2017 2:14:49 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: EternalHope

Actually he did want war, unlike Pierce and Buchanan before him. War was the reason for implementing Scott’s Anaconda and calling up 75,000 troops. Lincoln’s old Democrat rival Douglas endorsed Lincoln’s use of force to compel the seceding states to remain in the Union. What Lincoln didn’t expect was the huge extent of the war he was setting in motion.


168 posted on 01/28/2017 2:16:46 PM PST by Pelham (liberate Occupied California)
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To: Sivad
My friend and many others are well aware of the like minded friends in Eastern and Southern Oregon. He has told me that unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be a constitutional provision for the combining of parts of two states to make one as there is to make two states out of one (exp: West VA from VA)

It could probably be done if the two original states agreed and Congress voted to admit the new state into the Union.

169 posted on 01/28/2017 2:19:54 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: TigerClaws
Plan for California to secede from United States picking up steam

Didn't some other assholes try something like this some years ago? I heard it didn't work out so well for them.

170 posted on 01/28/2017 2:20:13 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: hal ogen

Sure about that? No shortage of successful
desperate lunatics in my reading of history.


171 posted on 01/28/2017 2:20:45 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: TigerClaws

Problem is when they want readmitted it will be with several million illegals!!!


172 posted on 01/28/2017 2:37:04 PM PST by ontap
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To: TigerClaws

From the WashPo’s four step guide to secession, states can....

1. Ask politely (zero chance of success)
2. Amend the Constitution (low chance of success)
3. Use force (basically zero chance of success)
4. Wait for failure of American experiment (100% chance of success)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/27/so-you-want-to-secede-from-the-u-s-a-four-step-guide/?utm_term=.8af1da3fae26


173 posted on 01/28/2017 2:37:15 PM PST by socal_parrot (Do you like Pina Coladas?)
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To: American in Israel

California is all talk—They can not leave the Union—Remember a time back some states in the south tried that and lots of folks died. Will Trump let them leave peacefully? NO! he will send in the army—arrest the Governor and the assembly, try them for treason. Occupy and purge the state of “Rebel” Democrat power. Reduced them to an occupied territory- redo the flag to 49 states (or admit Guam or washington DC as a state). Send in a Governor-General to run things until new elections could organize the state’s new Government. Ban all rebels from voting and or holding office. Purge illegals from the state.


174 posted on 01/28/2017 2:42:46 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: TigerClaws

Send in the national guard to seal thier border sit back and watch.This will be Americas petri dish get out the popcorn


175 posted on 01/28/2017 2:54:01 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: unread; Travis McGee
Travis should send a copy of Domestic Enemies/all three to Trump
176 posted on 01/28/2017 3:20:50 PM PST by Chode (may the RATS all die of dehydration from crying)
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To: fr_freak

Isn’t it amusing how many non-resident California experts
show up on these Cali secession threads? It is as if
there are absolutely no California conservatives here at
FR Nation. The truth is FR has more California FReepers
than from anywhere else. And, it is also true that
the state of California has more conservatives than the
TOTAL population of some of these poster’s states
of residence.

As a 4th generation Californian myself, I know what kind
of a state we used to be. We have always had our share
of free spirits but we didn’t invent liberalism. Some
of those lefties originated from very states that these
Cali hating posters call home. Hell, the haters should
be thanking us for taking in their rabble. Their gain
became our loss. Instead of jumping on the kick Cali
bandwagon they might research the State of Jefferson
project and educate themselves as to how the secession
movement might be a win-win for conservatives all over the
US including those of us presently in California.

I can’t help but think that a little of this Cali acrimony
has less to do with politics than it does with some good
old fashioned jealousy but that is a subject for another
time and thread.


177 posted on 01/28/2017 3:21:12 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: JerryBlackwell

I agree with you.

I for one do not revere Abraham Lincoln. I think he began the destruction of federalism. I think he was in fact a tyrant.

Like you, I am speaking very specifically, not in any way endorsing either slavery or assassination.

(I think slavery could have and would have been ended through economic sanctions, without the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives, and without the damage to states’ rights.)


178 posted on 01/28/2017 3:57:45 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: Sivad

Thank you for your reply. Sounds like we need to split the state in half then. Oregon and east Oregon, or vice versa. Wish we could.


179 posted on 01/28/2017 4:45:00 PM PST by IndependentGranny
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To: SouthernerFromTheNorth

Sounds good to me!


180 posted on 01/28/2017 4:46:08 PM PST by IndependentGranny
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