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To: BBB333

#1) Ethanol is CRAP (that is subjective)

#2) Putting ethanol into your automobile will lower it’s MPG (upgrade your car, true for older engines not ones made to use blended fuels)

#3) Ethanol is subsidized - meaning it costs MORE than gasoline. It would NOT be in any gas tank if the free market was allowed to ‘do it’s thing’ (Oil is subsidized also!!! too a much greater extent see my post #10)

#4) It uses more than a gallon of energy (equivalent) to make a gallon of ethanol (Explain energy equivalent? very subjective)

#5 Our ethanol use has raised food prices globally, why? So you can bitch at me about ‘Big Oil?’ Up yours! (Not true, ever heard of DDG’s??? You all whine when the price of bread goes up but gladly fill up with $3.00 gas to go to grandmas house for Christmas dinner. so I ask again, who would you rather support??? American farmers that put our money back into our communities or middle eastern mullah’s that put the money into madrassa’s that teach hatred of Christians and the west???)


17 posted on 01/18/2017 6:26:31 AM PST by BobinIL
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To: BobinIL

You belong at DU, dickhead.


19 posted on 01/18/2017 6:33:54 AM PST by BBB333 (The power of TRUMP compels you!)
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To: BobinIL

“upgrade your car”

That’s the liberal elitist line. Refraining from adjectives to express my contempt for such attitudes I’ll simply say “No thank-you”.


20 posted on 01/18/2017 6:36:39 AM PST by Rebelbase (ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/PBS/CNN/FOX are THE LEGACY MEDIA)
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To: BobinIL
BobinIL :" #4) It uses more than a gallon of energy (equivalent) to make a gallon of ethanol (Explain energy equivalent? very subjective)"

Energy = Power and heat during compression and firing of auto cylinders.
Ethanol is lower in BTU's when it burns than oil , like 70% - 80% less in energy.
So you pay more for less BTU's.
Also, ethanol attracks moisture/ condensation in the tank, which is why they sell de-icer for winter usage.
Ethanol ruins gaskets in automotive engines.
Ethanol separates out of fuel when left for any length of time.

Ethanol is a CRAP SANDWICH which the consumer has been FORCED to purchase by the Federal EPA !


21 posted on 01/18/2017 6:53:11 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Muslim & Spanish migrants are like Kudzu-> designed to overload the system= Cloward-Piven)
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To: BobinIL; BBB333
My comment :
"Ethanol is lower in BTU's when it burns than oil , like 70% - 80% less in energy."
should state that ethanol only has 70%-80% BTU's instead of oil,
so that's 20 -30% wasted energy (BTU) in volume per gallon.
22 posted on 01/18/2017 6:58:15 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Muslim & Spanish migrants are like Kudzu-> designed to overload the system= Cloward-Piven)
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To: BobinIL
Rather than take up all your points in order (others have done it very well), I want to get this one which sticks athwart in my craw:

"...who would you rather support??? American farmers that put our money back into our communities or middle eastern mullah’s...

The "American farmers" who get the benefit of ethanol are actually big agribusinesses who put big money contributions 'back into' liberal politicians' campaign funds.

And when anybody supports a point by invoking the sacred "our", as in referring to "our" communities, "our" children, "our" lakes/streams/cities/anything, then I immediately check out. That is a covert shame barb aimed at dissenters, implying that they must want to harm "our" communities/lakes/cities/children/etc. Libs have been using this tactic to poison discussion for as long as I can remember. No wonder you have people suggesting you should be on DU instead of FR.

The best thing we could do for "our" communities is to stop poisoning the well of self-interest which drives the free market. When Germany reunified, the East turned out to be a wreck — the infrastructure had deteriorated practically to ruins. Why? Because it was Volkseigentum — "everybody's" property, which equates to "nobody's" property. If it's everybody's, nobody is responsible to maintain it, and it goes to pot.

I am hoping that this election means that we might see the collectivist mania rolled back for a change. Ethanol is just a small part of that.

34 posted on 01/18/2017 8:26:19 AM PST by thulldud
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To: BobinIL

#1) Ethanol is CRAP (that is subjective)

Ethanol destroys engines that are not designed for it. Fact.

#2) Putting ethanol into your automobile will lower it’s MPG (upgrade your car, true for older engines not ones made to use blended fuels)

It’s true for all engines. The only difference being a modern engine won’t be destroyed by the effects.

#3) Ethanol is subsidized - meaning it costs MORE than gasoline. It would NOT be in any gas tank if the free market was allowed to ‘do it’s thing’ (Oil is subsidized also!!! too a much greater extent see my post #10)

Oil would still be used regardless of subsidies. Ethanol would never be used as fuel without the subsidies and MANDATES.

#4) It uses more than a gallon of energy (equivalent) to make a gallon of ethanol (Explain energy equivalent? very subjective)

It’s not subjective; it’s called science.

#5 Our ethanol use has raised food prices globally, why? So you can bitch at me about ‘Big Oil?’ Up yours! (Not true, ever heard of DDG’s??? You all whine when the price of bread goes up but gladly fill up with $3.00 gas to go to grandmas house for Christmas dinner. so I ask again, who would you rather support??? American farmers that put our money back into our communities or middle eastern mullah’s that put the money into madrassa’s that teach hatred of Christians and the west???)

American farmers would be better employed producing food for market demands, as they did throughout history. Farmers are just like the rest of us—they make money when they provide a needed service or product.

How about legislating that you eat three ears of corn per day? You good with that? How about we mandate that you get a new car every three years, or a house, or health insurance? That’s right, you’d be fine with that, because it employs American insurance employees.


35 posted on 01/18/2017 8:49:15 AM PST by antidisestablishment ( We few, we happy few, we basket of deplorables)
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