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Here's what I don't understand. Let's say you're on the top where everyone was at. You can see over the side. It's a 2 1/2-story drop from what I can tell by the pics.

Now all that bric a brac everywhere, and none of them said, hey let's just build a pile of soft shit - seat cushions, probably styrofoam crap everywhere - over the side, jump, and roll. Broken arm or leg at the worst.

2 posted on 01/09/2017 3:41:57 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Prosecute the win. Run up the score.)
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To: StAnDeliver

Are you joking? I hope you’re joking, though it seems a strange topic to joke about.


3 posted on 01/09/2017 4:01:31 AM PST by babble-on
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To: StAnDeliver

I understand what you are writing. It assumes that people are thinking clearly in a situation like this.

The part that you might be missing is that most of those people were dead or unconscious before the fire got near them. I am sure the floor was full of smoke and heat. No one will last long in that condition.

There are a lot of things a person “could” have done. But unless you practice that stuff, you will never think of it at the time.


4 posted on 01/09/2017 4:13:37 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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To: StAnDeliver

It was FAST, pitch black with no lights, panic, almost immediately PEOPLE COULD NOT BREATHE ... there no time to thin and plan.

You got out immediately, or you did not get out.

There was no time to plan anything.


5 posted on 01/09/2017 4:19:52 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I Love Bull Markets!!!)
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To: StAnDeliver
It is hard to overstate how fast fire can grow inside a building packed with combustible material. And the smoke will kill you long before a flame will touch your body. Add to that fear, drunkenness, unfamiliarity with your surroundings, and a lack of clear egress as this place apparently had, and it's a miracle anyone gets out at all.

As a fire inspector, I run into people on a regular basis who I have to lecture about not putting any impediments to egress in their buildings--blocked and chained up exits, obscured or blocked aisles, etc. "If I see a fire in here, I can get out fast," they say. "No, sir," I say, "You can't. And neither can your customers. You have no idea how fast a building fills with smoke and a fire moves until you've been in one."

7 posted on 01/09/2017 6:04:06 AM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: StAnDeliver

Fires generate carbon monoxide and, if plastics are present, hydrogen cyanide. All of that happens very quickly. It happens about ten times as fast as it did before plastics became so prevalent.

Firefighters have dropped dead after they’ve gone into a room with little to no smoke without their masks in place.


9 posted on 01/09/2017 6:50:41 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: StAnDeliver
Here's a video of the Great White concert fire from a few years ago. It's a continuous video, so it gives you an idea of how fast the fire spreads. Within two minutes, the fire has killed most of the people inside.

Warning: Live video of a fire where 89 people died.

Youtube of Great White Fire

10 posted on 01/10/2017 8:33:17 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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