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1 posted on 12/21/2016 3:51:44 AM PST by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

We can thank Obama for this. Maybe McCain and others that have, at best, sniped about this but didn’t really do anything but play politics. ...all while Russia moved in to fill the vacuum.


2 posted on 12/21/2016 3:53:13 AM PST by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp: Replace Ryan & McConnell; Primary Lyn' Ted and others.)
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To: elhombrelibre; SaveFerris; Roman_War_Criminal; Lera; pastorbillrandles; xzins
I am watching events with great interest and trepidation.

Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38/39 could become a stark reality.


4 posted on 12/21/2016 4:07:36 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: elhombrelibre

If I were Putin I would announce that for every Russian killed by ISIS that 100 of their soldiers will die with key soldier among them. Right after I had just done it.


5 posted on 12/21/2016 4:16:15 AM PST by jsanders2001
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“Russia is the enemy of Islam.”

Sounds good to me.


6 posted on 12/21/2016 4:36:03 AM PST by Liz (W W W W W W w w w w w)
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To: elhombrelibre

Complete BS. More Fake News from the usual hysteric pr bots in the Caucus for Perpetual War.

Syria has been a Russian Client state since the 1950s. Obama-Clinton, with the gleeful aid of the Moron Duo McCain-Graham, thought it would be cute to try and play covert games on Russian turf. Putin merely held what he all ready had.


13 posted on 12/21/2016 5:36:55 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Trump discriminates against non-successful people.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Obama and his incompetent staff ended America’s status a Middle Eastern superpower years ago... Obama's a joke and Kerry's a fool.
14 posted on 12/21/2016 5:52:06 AM PST by GOPJ (Anyone remember New York Times CRYBULLIES calling for 'moderation' when Obama was elected '08?)
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To: elhombrelibre
Obama and his incompetent staff ended America’s status as a Middle Eastern superpower years ago... Obama's a joke and Kerry's a fool.
15 posted on 12/21/2016 5:52:44 AM PST by GOPJ (Anyone remember New York Times CRYBULLIES calling for 'moderation' when Obama was elected '08?)
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To: elhombrelibre

Russia has always had great influence in the ME. Iraq before we and the UN coalition invaded was a client state. The Iraq military was armed with Russian weapons and there were Russian advisors killed during the invasion. Ditto Syria and I believe, Libya.


18 posted on 12/21/2016 6:35:59 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elhombrelibre

What do you suppose Putin and the Russians were thinking watching the West expand NATO to their border, the US government actively interfere in the Ukraine and Crimea. They also watched while we dismantled their client states, under facile pretenses in Iraq, Libya and Syria.

The covert games played by the Obama-Clinton regime with McCain/Grahams’ active assistance were stupid. Like it or not we are going to have to find a way to coexist with the Russians. Since the end of WW 2 we had a policy of “well we don’t like the fact the Russians are here or there but there really is nothing we can do about it.

The Russians are reacting the same way we did over Cuba and Nicaragua. Hell we invaded Grenada in 1983 largely to stop a Soviet bomber base getting built by the Cubans.

The US under Obama-Clinton, with McCain/Grahams’ active assistance, has been aggressively pissing in Russian’s sand box.

Libya and Syria were no threat to US Security. Our dismantling their client in Libya and trying to in Syria looks like a deliberate provocation to them. The Russians don’t buy the “humanitarian” argument. They think we are trying aggressively to expand our sphere of influence at their expense. Why do you think the “intelligence agents” spirited out of Allepo this week were 95% Saudi?

These are the same sort of stupid geo political games that helped start World War 1.


21 posted on 12/21/2016 12:08:40 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Trump discriminates against non-successful people.)
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To: elhombrelibre

You really need to get out of your 1980s era world view and learn how vastly different the world is now.

Putin’s Russia is not the Soviet Union with million of conscripted slave solider sitting in armored fighting vehicles waiting to rush the Fulda Gap and crush the free West.

At best Putin can be an irritant to the wolrd body politics. He has neither the economic, nor military, strength to be a real threat to the West.

We face the same problem now that we faced during WW2. We have an existential threat to our existence (Islamic Fascism) that is also the enemies of the Russians. The Russians are not our ivory pure clean as snow perfect allies but they are, potentially, our allies in this fight.

It easy to pompously pronounce anathema on everyone else in the world for not being perfectly politically pure enough from the safety of your keyboard in your moms basement.

Too bad for you those short of childish fantasies of perfect moral purity are ridiculous absurdities in the real world of international politics and diplomacy.


23 posted on 12/21/2016 1:02:02 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Trump discriminates against non-successful people.)
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