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Debunking the claim that “Palestinians” are the indigenous people of Israel
Jerusalem Post ^ | May 12, 2015 | DANIEL GRYNGLAS

Posted on 12/17/2016 11:49:45 PM PST by Enchante

Despite the substantial documentation assembled by Peters, demonstrating massive Arab immigration into Palestine, anti-Israel propagandists continue to deny it. Based on what we know today, and the simple truths of basic math, the issue has become clear and unambiguous. All historic records indicate that only insignificant number of long-term settled Muslims were present in Palestine before 1882, when the large Jewish immigration began. Muslim Arab numbers increased dramatically as Jewish settlements developed infrastructure and provided work opportunities to Arabs from the neighboring countries.

Also worth noting is that the “indigenous” 4.3% comprised many non-Arab nationalities. All of them were swamped by the Arab immigrants and within a few generations largely lost their identity.

Given the complete absence of any historical record to the contrary, we can authoritatively say that the “Palestinian people” never existed until they were invented in the 1960s as a tool for continuing the Arab war against Israel.

The claim that “Palestinians” are the indigenous people of Israel and that most of the present Palestinian Arabs have lived in these lands since time immemorial is a total fraud. Albeit posthumously, Joan Peters has had the last word on the subject.

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabs; israel; jerusalem; middleeast; muslims; palestine
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To: Enchante

The Palestinians remind me of an old Andy Capp comic strip I cannot find.

Andy is on a train, and next to him is a man reading a newspaper. In the next scene Andy is looking over the man’s shoulder reading the newspaper. In the next scene Andy is sharing the newspaper with the man. In the final scene Andy has the entire newpaper, and the man is looking over his shoulder. Andy turns to him and says, “Do you mind?”

That’s how I see the Palestinians.


61 posted on 12/19/2016 6:56:27 PM PST by klgator
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To: editor-surveyor
“Christian” has absolutely nothing to do with our savior. Christianity came into being in the mid 4th century as a means to demolish Yeshua’s Way. Christianity rejects all that Yeshua and his apostles preached, and follows the pagan days of sun god worship that Constantine declared as replacement for Yeshua.

It's pretty clear that "messianic jews" or whatever it is that they call themselves, are more than happy to see the demise of Christianity in the Holy Land. It's one reason why they are evil.

62 posted on 12/20/2016 12:28:51 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: Eleutheria5
The “funny” part is that the Husseini family are a mob-powerhouse family in Jerusalem to this day and I believe his grandson (Faisal Al Husseini) was a PLO activist, operating out of what they called the “Orient House” in Jerusalem. Agitation, fomenting violence and causing mayhem seems to run in the family...
63 posted on 12/20/2016 12:46:43 AM PST by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.)
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To: Enchante

Ping for later


64 posted on 12/20/2016 12:47:42 AM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

I’m neither Christian nor Messianic, but simply Jewish. I look to Christians both inside and outside of Israel as allies against the Islamonazis who threaten to engulf us both, and deplore what the PA has done to them in Bethlehem and Beit Jaalah. I’m sorry the respective denominations represented by you two are squabbling. But that’s a distraction, really, and one of very little interest to others.


65 posted on 12/20/2016 1:04:04 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Netz

Ashraaf. That’s what they boil down to.


66 posted on 12/20/2016 1:05:15 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Enchante

> Article is not new, but very important and topical — so-called “Palestinians” try to pretend that they have ancient long-standing right to all of the land of Israel, Gaza, and “West Bank”.... in reality, only a few per cent (author estimates under 5 per cent) of the Arab/Muslim population of “Palestine” preceded 19th and 20th century waves of immigration to the area.

Arabs owned Palestine by right of conquest from the Romans, who owned in right of conquest from the Jedeans, who owned it in right of conquest from the Canaanites. The most recent right of conquest is that of the Jewish settlers and thus have the most valid set of rights.


67 posted on 12/20/2016 1:07:49 AM PST by RedWulf (Trump:Front Lines. Obama: Back Nine. Hillary:Nap Time.)
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To: Eleutheria5
I’m sorry the respective denominations represented by you two are squabbling. But that’s a distraction, really, and one of very little interest to others.

Yeah, your concerns are important of course, where as those of others are merely squabbles.

68 posted on 12/20/2016 3:28:07 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

If you think there aren’t internecine squabbles among Jews, you don’t know us. It’s hardly unique, and hardly remarkable. It’s just not appropriate with invading hordes raping Europe and trying to invade the US so they can do the same, and all of them surrounding my tiny triangular state and swearing its destruction. There’ll be time for infighting later, when these sumbitches are dealt with.


69 posted on 12/20/2016 3:33:52 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5
It’s just not appropriate with invading hordes raping Europe and trying to invade the US

This thread isn't about muslims in Europe.

70 posted on 12/20/2016 6:03:07 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

It’s not about who’s the real Christians, either. It has something to do with Israel, so it’s relevant what Israelis think of Christians and vice versa, since we have a common enemy, and the hordes invading Europe is therefore relevant. You want to love your enemy, go ahead. But they’d love to mount your head on a pike and dance around with it.


71 posted on 12/20/2016 6:08:17 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5
You want to love your enemy, go ahead. But they’d love to mount your head on a pike and dance around with it.

My enemies are those who don't support Middle Eastern Christians.

72 posted on 12/20/2016 6:41:48 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

OK. I support Middle Eastern Christians. I believe it’s a travesty what’s being done with them. I’d love to yank Bethlehem away from the PA, and also adjudicate all of the extortion and land fraud that the Muslims have done while it was under their jurisdiction, and encourage those who left to come back. I wouldn’t mind admitting Christian refugees from Syria to Israel. So why not just start a thread about Middle Eastern Christians, which is off topic here, but a legitimate concern.


73 posted on 12/20/2016 6:47:30 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5
So why not just start a thread about Middle Eastern Christians

Why should I? When people talk about "Palestinians" being a made-up people and compare them to human refuse, they fail to consider that "Palestinian" Christians have been there for 2000 years and have every right to be in the Holy Land.

74 posted on 12/20/2016 7:16:18 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

OK. That’s valid. There are Arabic-speaking Christians in Israel, though I don’t think they were there for 2000 years. The indigenous Christians who kept all the mitzvot but believed Jesus was the Messiah became outcasts when they refused to support Bar Kochba’s revolt, and subsequently died out. I don’t think there was a Franciscan monk or a Roman Catholic among them. But let’s not quibble. Christians have been around Israel a long time. Sure. Lately, they’ve been abandoning Arabic and calling themselves Chaldean Christians, preferring Aramaic. They’ve been treated badly by the so-called Palestinians, especially since Bethlehem came under their rule. It was heinous for Bethlehem to be placed under their rule, but on the other hand at the time they identified themselves with the Palestinian cause. George Habash was a Christian from Lud, and a major terrorist. I’m glad that they no longer consider themselves Palestinians. That makes it a whole lot easier to forge an alliance with them, which is probably in the works on the QT.


75 posted on 12/20/2016 7:56:31 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: RedWulf

“Arabs” did not “own” “Palestine” — for many recent centuries it was part of Ottoman Empire, not Arab at all.


76 posted on 12/20/2016 11:05:25 AM PST by Enchante (Hoping the Clintonistas are gone from our public life forever!!)
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To: Enchante

>“Arabs” did not “own” “Palestine” — for many recent centuries it was part of Ottoman Empire, not Arab at all.

Arabs moved in, killed the locals and ruled the place even under the Turks. Thus they owned it.


77 posted on 12/20/2016 12:42:51 PM PST by RedWulf (Trump:Front Lines. Obama: Back Nine. Hillary:Nap Time.)
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To: Eleutheria5
There are Arabic-speaking Christians in Israel, though I don’t think they were there for 2000 years...I don’t think there was a Franciscan monk or a Roman Catholic among them.

St. Peter was the first Pope of the Catholic Church and Christians have been in the Holy Land ever since.

George Habash was a Christian from Lud, and a major terrorist.

Do you need me to give you a list of Jewish acts of terrorism?

78 posted on 12/20/2016 10:04:48 PM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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To: Enchante

“Palestinians” were the creation of Yasser Arafat (an Egyptian) and the KGB. Most of the inhumanity towards them has come from the Arab nations which will not allow those in the refugee camps to become citizens or do much of anything productive.

Mark Twain’s “Innocents Aboard” makes the point that there was almost no population in what is now Israel and that it was mostly sh@thole.


79 posted on 12/20/2016 10:13:23 PM PST by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: arrogantsob
there was almost no population in what is now Israel and that it was mostly sh@thole.

So, how do you explain that there is a Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem from around 33 AD until today?

80 posted on 12/20/2016 10:22:53 PM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Potheads vote Dem.)
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