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To: jsanders2001

I can’t say I take exception with any of your statements except the last one, “You can’t identify them with open sources...”

I worked with retired USAR COL and former US Congressman Rob Simmons when he commanded an Army Reserve Strategic MI detachment back in the early to mid-90s; his unit provided general support to my active-duty unit on a number of our ops. Together, Rob and I developed some early methods for identifying and integrating information from the public domain - not necessarily the Internet at the time - into our operational intel, as well as that from national sources.

Our methods were based on techniques we applied to tactical and operational-level collection and a tachnique we used to call “time-event charting”, which we used to reconstruct activities leading up to insurgent and terrorist ops. As information became more ubiquitous and more international with the expansion of the ‘net, we adapted and refined our methods.

We used financial information (not bank data, but identifiable financial and business relationships), along with a lot of other information that existed in the public domain, some of it only available via subscription services (obviously, we anonymized our searches and subscriptions). A lot of those methods are now integrated into what’s come to be known as “Activities Based Intelligence” and “Object Based Production”.

Using these techniques, we identified a LOT of individuuals and cells of various types, i.e., ops, logistics, intel, financial support, etc., in the the United States and many other countries. For example, our work led to the opening of over 100 FBI CT-related investigations in the US alone.

The real challenge now is that the IC just doesn’t understand what OSINT really is. And that opinion is not limited to the CIA; it also applies to DIA, NSA, NGA and others. In my opinion, within the IC, only the FBI and DEA, for the reasons noted above, have a full appreciation for the potential value of information from the public domain, which goes way beyond the contemporary definition and understanding of “OSINT”.


39 posted on 12/14/2016 6:28:07 PM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: ManHunter
> We used financial information (not bank data, but identifiable financial and business relationships), along with a lot of other information that existed in the public domain, some of it only available via subscription services (obviously, we anonymized our searches and subscriptions)

From the sounds of it, I've probably used many of the same sources you utilized to establish ties between different networks, individuals, and business entities. Financial relationships do identify a lot of bad guys that would go unnoticed no doubt.

40 posted on 12/14/2016 6:40:14 PM PST by jsanders2001
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Morning and fyi!


46 posted on 12/15/2016 7:26:44 AM PST by Grampa Dave (It's way past time to drain the 'not so intelligent' swamp... President Trump Disband the CIA!!!)
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