Posted on 11/20/2016 11:22:32 PM PST by Eleutheria5
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a directive on Wednesday to withdraw from the International Criminal Court (ICC) in Hague. The ICC is meant to be the world's first permanent court and works to prosecute leaders and countries for war crimes, genocide and "crimes against humanity."
In 2000, Russia signed the Rome treaty establishing the ICC, but never ratified it. The ICC was established in 1998, and currently has over 100 member states.
Like Russia, the US also signed the treaty but declared in 2002 that they had "no intention" of ratifying it.
Last Tuesday, the UN General Assembly's Human Rights Committee approved a resolution condemning Russia's "occupation" of Crimea and Sevastopol, and blamed Russia for discrimination against Crimean residents, as well as rights abuses.
Last Monday, the ICC issued a preliminary report describing the events in Crimea as "an international armed conflict between the Ukraine and the Russian Federation."
Russia is also under continuous threat of sanctions and being sued in the ICC, since they are carrying out airstrikes to help Syrian nationals fight ISIS.
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Russia's withdrawal is an issue of "national interests" and explained Putin's decree as a mere formality, since the agreement was never ratified in the first place. He also said Crimea was not occupied but had joined Russia in March 2014 after a legitimate popular vote.
Though Russia does want international crimes dealt with in the ICC, the country is becoming increasingly frustrated with the ICC's ineffectiveness....
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The UN should be next.
>German leader Adolf Hitler’s pretext for this action was the alleged privations suffered by the ethnic German population living in those regions.
Not alleged, well documented. The Czechs wanted them to leave to alleviate the danger from a German invasion so they mistreated them, which in turn fueled the German invasion. Just as the Ukrainian neo-nazi’s mistreated the Russian parts of the Ukraine after they coup-ed the elected Ukrainian goverment which in turn caused the Russians to support their oppressed countrymen.
However, beyond that your analogy breaks down. Russia chose to arm and help their countrymen fight off the Ukrainian Nazi’s attacking them, but cut off their aid whenever they started advancing out of Russian areas. With full Russian support they could have easily overran the entire country. Russian chose to froze the conflict instead conquering the Ukraine even with a proxy force.
Russia invaded Crimea, a part of Ukraine, and seized it. No amount of rationalization or BS is going to change that fact. Putin is a KGB thug who has effectively run Russia since 1999. He is a petty tyrant.
They sure are and good for good reasons. Russians treat subject people like crap. The issue you seem unable to grasp is half of the Ukraine is Russian and they tend to like Moscow. Which is why the Ukrainian Neo-Nazies attacked them.
>Russia invaded Crimea, a part of Ukraine, and seized it. No amount of rationalization or BS is going to change that fact.
Crimea is 99% Russian and was already ready occupied by the Russians before the Neo-Nazi coup. Deal with it.
>Putin is a KGB thug who has effectively run Russia since 1999. He is a petty tyrant.
Putin restored Russia from a state of terminal decline and reinvigorated the nation by going back to the basics of what worked for Russia: Nationalism, Church, and strong leadership. Your failure to see this things is a product of your own bias. Let it go.
The issue you seem unable to grasp is that Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Half of the country is not comprised of Russian citizens. If those of Russian heritage want to move from Ukraine to Russia, so be it. Neo-nazis? Another attempt to demonize those who resist Russian imperialism. The Left does the same here by declaring Trump as a neo-Nazi and KKK supporter.
Crimea is 99% Russian and was already ready occupied by the Russians before the Neo-Nazi coup. Deal with it.
Crimea is part of Ukraine. You deal with it. It is like saying that CA is half Mexican therefore it is being occupied by Mexico. You don't seem to grasp the concept of national sovereignty.
Putin restored Russia from a state of terminal decline and reinvigorated the nation by going back to the basics of what worked for Russia: Nationalism, Church, and strong leadership. Your failure to see this things is a product of your own bias. Let it go.
LOL. I notice you joined this site recently. You sound like one of those Russian apologists who defend a KGB thug and tyrant.
When did the basics of Nationalism, Church, and strong leadership work for Russia? Certainly not since 1917. How far back do we have to go to find those golden days? Peter the Great? Catherine the Great? The Russian people have never enjoyed real freedom and individual liberties.
RedWulf, your Red is showing.
If Europe launches a war in a Non-NATO country Article 5 means nothing. We are not obligated to join a war they decide to launch.
Second Article 5 only states we take action we deem necessary. Maybe that is a meeting in the oval office to discuss the situation.
Military action is not required.
The problem is that the EU and the eastern Ukes are acting like a coup gives you a legitimate right to rule everything the overthrown government held.
The truth is that a coup only gives you the right to rule what you can seize by force. Everyone else has the same right as the coup leaders to seize what they can.
When Kiev decided to move out and send Maidan militias out into areas they didn’t control, the fight started.
I see no reason for the US Army to be fighting on WWII eastern front battlefields on behalf of a government that has battalions carrying the name of Dirlewanger and others that use the Wolfsangel of the 2nd SS division.
As for Crimea, Russia letting that become a NATO navy base would be like us letting China take over Norfolk Va. Dress it up however you want, it’ll never happen.
“The issue you seem unable to grasp is that Ukraine is a sovereign nation.”
And it was overthrown in a violent coup. At that point everyone else also gets to grab what they can seize and hold. Unless for some reason you think only the coup makers have some unique right to do that.
Correct. Russia gave Ukraine part of Russia in the 1950s so Russians could win elections in Ukraine. Now Russia has taken back (more or less) the land it gave 60 years ago.
I imagine if Texas gave back the Rio Grande Valley near the Gulf to Mexico, heads would spin. And can we return Austin to Mexico or Massachusetts? Or give it to some Native American group for a reservation?
Second Article 5 only states we take action we deem necessary.
Article 5:
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
So a civil war or coup means that any outside nation can come in and seize whatever it can? What nonsense. Ukraine remains a sovereign nation and has been since 1991 regardless of the internal political struggles.
>I imagine if Texas gave back the Rio Grande Valley near the Gulf to Mexico, heads would spin. And can we return Austin to Mexico or Massachusetts? Or give it to some Native American group for a reservation?
If those areas go close to 100% Mexican we’re going to be faced with a problem of either letting them secede from the country, rule those areas like they’re Mexico and treat non Mexicans like crap, or expel them. Multi-cultural democracies don’t work.
>The issue you seem unable to grasp is that Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Half of the country is not comprised of Russian citizens.
The Ukraine stopped being a sovereign nation when a violent coup overthrew the country.
>If those of Russian heritage want to move from Ukraine to Russia, so be it.
Those people don’t want to leave their homes because a bunch of Neo-Nazi supported by globalists overthrew the goverment. Who the heck are you to advocate their ethnic cleansing? You disgust me.
>Neo-nazis? Another attempt to demonize those who resist Russian imperialism.
Liar:
Are you a Nazi apologist or just a useful fool?
>When did the basics of Nationalism, Church, and strong leadership work for Russia? Certainly not since 1917. How far back do we have to go to find those golden days? Peter the Great? Catherine the Great?
Russia in 1917 was a very left wing nation overran with radical left wing socialists in most goverment offices, a weak leader, and a military getting it’s butt kicked in a losing war.
>The Russian people have never enjoyed real freedom and individual liberties.
And they never will. Not all people are Anglo-Saxons who value freedom and individual liberties. Most people are quite happy with whatever type of goverment that works for them and when we try force an unnatural structures on them it creates poor outcomes as we’ve seen in Iraq and many other places. Russia had it’s own run with American style democracy and freedom in the 90s and it nearly destroyed the nation. Different peoples are different. Deal with it.
Complete nonsense. Ukraine is still a nation state with defined borders. Since when does a coup eliminate nationhood? If that were the case, there would be very few nations in the world, especially in the lesser developed countries. Is English your first language?
Those people don’t want to leave their homes because a bunch of Neo-Nazi supported by globalists overthrew the goverment. Who the heck are you to advocate their ethnic cleansing? You disgust me.
If they elect to stay, they remain Ukrainian citizens, not Russians. They have a choice. Do you understand what ethnic cleansing means? The government of Ukraine is not forcing out Ukrainian citizens of Russian heritage or systematically killing them. According to the Ukrainian Census of 2001, Ukrainians make up 77.8% of the population. Other significant groups have identified themselves as belonging to the nationality of Russians (17.3%), Belarusians (0.6%), Moldovans (0.5%), Crimean Tatars (0.5%), Bulgarians (0.4%), Hungarians (0.3%), Romanians (0.3%), Poles (0.3%), Jews (0.2%), Armenians (0.2%), Greeks (0.2%) and Tatars (0.2%).
Are you a Nazi apologist or just a useful fool?
I don't believe anything coming from the Daily Telegraph or other useful idiots. The neo-Nazi boogeyman just doesn't fly any more. The Left calls anyone on the right a neo-Nazi. It is happening with the Alternative Party in Germany, UKIP in the UK, LePen in France, etc. The only fools are those who believe these lies.
Russia in 1917 was a very left wing nation overran with radical left wing socialists in most government offices, a weak leader, and a military getting it’s butt kicked in a losing war.
Your response to my question confirms my suspicion you are not a native English speaker. Clearly from 1917 onwards, the three pillars you cited of Russia when it worked well, i.e., Nationalism, Church, and strong leadership, were not present in Russia since the Communist Revolution. So when was Russia working well?
And they never will. Not all people are Anglo-Saxons who value freedom and individual liberties. Most people are quite happy with whatever type of goverment that works for them and when we try force an unnatural structures on them it creates poor outcomes as we’ve seen in Iraq and many other places. Russia had it’s own run with American style democracy and freedom in the 90s and it nearly destroyed the nation. Different peoples are different. Deal with it.
Are the values of Russians so different from the West and those of Western Civilization that they would rather live under tyranny and despotic rule than have individual liberties? In fact, many Russians do not subscribe to such a view. The gulags were/are full of them.
I have no idea where you are from, but your comments reflect those of someone who is unfamiliar with whom we are as Americans. You should read Natan Sharansky's book, The Case for Democracy: The Power of Freedom to Overcome Tyranny and Terror.
>If they elect to stay, they remain Ukrainian citizens, not Russians. They have a choice. Do you understand what ethnic cleansing means? The government of Ukraine is not forcing out Ukrainian citizens of Russian heritage or systematically killing them.
You must not read the news. Neo-Nazi’s ran around killing quite a few Russian speakers in the east before they started fighting back. Rebellions tend to spring up when you try to ethnically cleanse a whole people.
>I don’t believe anything coming from the Daily Telegraph or other useful idiots. The neo-Nazi boogeyman just doesn’t fly any more. The Left calls anyone on the right a neo-Nazi. It is happening with the Alternative Party in Germany, UKIP in the UK, LePen in France, etc. The only fools are those who believe these lies.
I could provided 500 sources showing Neo-Nazi’s leading the fighting to overthrow the goverment and you’d still stick to your Soros approved talking points. Secondly, you’re repeating the often repeated smear that Neo-Nazi’s are on the right. They’re not. The Neo-Nazi’s in the Ukraine had no problem working with leftists like Soros to overthrow the country. They’re socialist scum.
>Are the values of Russians so different from the West and those of Western Civilization that they would rather live under tyranny and despotic rule than have individual liberties? In fact, many Russians do not subscribe to such a view. The gulags were/are full of them.
If you’d read your Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn you’d know the vast majority of the people where in the gulag because the Soviet Union required slave labor survive(Wages of socialism and all that) and rounded up anyone to meet their quotas. So it’s clear you don’t know jack about history.
Secondly, Globalist like you can’t seem to understand what people like Putin provide Russia is order and the small tyranny that comes from his rule cause much less harm than the tyranny that come from American style Democracy on the country. Putin is overwhelming popular with the public and birth rates are now higher than they are in the US. Indications show a Russian civilization strengthening.
If the American system worked in a place Russia they would have blossomed in the 90s instead of almost seeing the country destroyed. Empirically your ideas don’t work and you just stupid as the standard socialist who continues to insist that it will work next time despite endless failure to export our system.
Isn’t this the court that victimizes “right wingers” like Pinochet, but rarely touches Marxist?
And the Geneva Accords.
Oh, like a Kangaroo Human Rights court, like we have in Canada?
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