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What So Many People Don’t Get About the U.S. Working Class
Harvard Business Review ^ | 11/10/2016 | Joan C. Williams

Posted on 11/12/2016 10:20:54 AM PST by Vision Thing

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To: pierrem15

Exactly right, and we are doing it with the tax money of the dispensables we so loftily propose to reeducate.


21 posted on 11/12/2016 10:56:37 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: Vision Thing

[ “It’s really too bad because he’s not a bad kid — he’s just misguided,” Stephens said. “He didn’t realize how much danger he was putting other people in.” ]

Take it from me, the number of people who think they know Corporate I/T just because they have a PC at home.......argh. No concept of best practices, systematic software development, design methodology, controls, impact limitations, recovery, security.

One I got involved in, got a “free” development tool I’d never heard of. When you had to use it, you realized why you’d never heard of it. They were a non-profit so decided to “save money” with this beast. It was awful to work with.

And somebody used a different version for POS -— I never saw that - I just saw the thing we had. Oh, you could do somethings with it, but still, compared to other tools I’d used....a real pain in the neck.


22 posted on 11/12/2016 10:58:24 AM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Vision Thing
Progressives have lavished attention on the poor for over a century.

No. Progressives have been stealing from natural increases in production, technology and wealth to build a massive political base dependent on them.

23 posted on 11/12/2016 11:00:39 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Vision Thing

Bump


24 posted on 11/12/2016 11:00:46 AM PST by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: Vision Thing

I read until the author asserted that Trump won because blue collar men want women to know their place again. Other that, kinda long winded dissertation about working class men, by someone who is not one.

Pass.


25 posted on 11/12/2016 11:00:57 AM PST by CaptainPhilFan
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To: Vision Thing

True words

Most of these elites will not nor never had a hard job They get paid ridiculous money to step on those who do. I don’t trust lawyers or academics. Doctors a bit more. Give me the common sense of a nurse or miner or farmer any day


26 posted on 11/12/2016 11:02:50 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Vision Thing

Great article. Does she realize that if the Dims act on these uderstandings there will be no place for their Progressive agenda? Of course not because she doesn’t realize the ultimate prize is the subjegation of the lower classes to the elite ruling class. She is just another useful idiot who thinks the agenda is just a little misguided in “helping” people.


27 posted on 11/12/2016 11:02:56 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Vision Thing

Clearly, the writer does not share the views or values of the working men she purports to sympathize with. But this is sure better than the norm for our expensively-educated elitists.


28 posted on 11/12/2016 11:04:26 AM PST by madprof98
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To: Vision Thing
The Harvard Lampoon might have done better... ;)
29 posted on 11/12/2016 11:10:11 AM PST by W. (Scotch, neat... Again, please. I have the weekend off...)
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To: Vision Thing

“I fully understand why transgender bathrooms are important”, but I also understand why progressives’ obsession with prioritizing cultural issues infuriates many Americans whose chief concerns are economic.

I don’t understand why transgender bathrooms are important,
I still don’t think he gets it

I don’t hear the middle class screaming for TG bathrooms


30 posted on 11/12/2016 11:12:06 AM PST by Paperpusher
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To: Vision Thing

My reply to the author: The Democrats and the author completely miss the point of the Trump supporters. The culture issues do not belong in the political arena at all. The culture issues belong to the people. We would all get along just fine, including wild variances in opinion, taste and culture. The rage is because the liberal government, via social engineering is robbing us of our children, our culture and our future. It is a deliberate assault on who we are.

There is nothing in the Constitution giving the federal government the right to tell us what to think, who to like or dislike or what we must say to ensure that others feel “comfortable’.

In fact, if you want to know the truth, social engineers and racists are both operating under the same principle, the assumption that they are better than someone else. It just doesn’t get any more anti-American than that. And, please don’t forget, America’s first broad-based social engineering experiment was the Democrat Party’s Jim Crow laws.

After the Civil War, us “commoners” were getting along just fine. Blacks and whites were socializing, shopping in the same stores and inter-marrying. The pseudo-elite (i.e. inferior people who think they are superior) passed the Jim Crow laws enforcing segregation and preventing interracial marriages for the “good” of the common citizens who didn’t know what was best.

History tells us again and again that the common man does indeed know what is best. Our Constitution and government were deliberately designed for self-government. Hundreds of thousands of lives were freely given to ensure liberty for their children.

Leave us alone and stop fomenting class, racial, ethnic, academic and philosophic divides and hatred. Read the Constitution and just do your job and stop trying to fix us. We are not broken, you are.


31 posted on 11/12/2016 11:14:21 AM PST by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: Vision Thing

Fence straddling writer, plays both sides. Has a few points, but is not on our side. Example: “I do not defend police who kill citizens for selling cigarettes.” Um, not what happened, Joan.


32 posted on 11/12/2016 11:20:36 AM PST by polymuser (Enough is enough!)
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To: Vision Thing

Some good points, but also incredinbly wrong in points as well. For example

‘when Trump proves unable to bring steel back to Youngstown, Ohio’

There where two start up mini-mills in Youngstown OH through 2008. The EPA and financial crises, Primarily the EPA closed them.

It is a myriad of causes for economic decline and Democrats promote all of them.


33 posted on 11/12/2016 11:20:54 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Vision Thing

re: the white working class (WWC) resents professionals but admires the rich

True of those of Mexican Heritage also. They seek to start their own factory, their own construction company, their own restaurant, their own supermercado. They admire the self-made businessman.

Most of them do not admire the Mitt Romney/Carlos Slim type of big rent seeking businessman.

In contrast, some immigrant groups admire the professional employee: the doctor for a large hospital, the teacher or professor at a large educational institution, etc.


34 posted on 11/12/2016 11:24:35 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Vision Thing

It is a great article. I rarely read these things top to bottom but I did this one. The section about Trump’s direct, anti-PC way of talking is very important. I think this is one of the major things that helped him in working class Pennsylvania. There was an emotional connection there because he spoke like them, which engendered trust and the idea that he would help them because he sounded like he understood them.


35 posted on 11/12/2016 11:24:40 AM PST by JediJones (Social conservatism is the root of all conservatism.)
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To: Vision Thing

Thanks for the post.

Very good read.


36 posted on 11/12/2016 11:34:15 AM PST by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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To: Kent1957

Writer’s a she from Harvard....


37 posted on 11/12/2016 11:37:54 AM PST by polymuser (Enough is enough!)
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To: Vision Thing

Very nice piece. My son said something similar yesterday about the working class guys (all union) where he works. Nothing Trump has said or the way he says it would bother them. The way he talks they see him as one of them only richer.

an aside - American class structure is very different from Europe’s. It’s based strictly on income. This comes as a big surprise to europeans where you can have upper class people with no money and a wealthy working class.


38 posted on 11/12/2016 11:47:12 AM PST by Varda
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To: bigbob

I also think there’s an almost mythical desire for a rich person from the upper class, instead of sitting in his ivory tower looking down on everyone else, to come down and understand, talk to and interact with the regular folks. For him to use his power to actually bolster the populist movement.

That’s what the Scrooge story is all about. The similarly named Disney character Scrooge McDuck was first created as a villain, but the writers found out that people liked the character more when he joined with the heroes to help them on their adventures. There is an urban legend that recurs throughout the last century of a working class man finding someone with a flat tire on the side of the road and helping him fix it. He finds out the man he helped was a famous rich person who sends him a check the next day to pay off his mortgage. This tale has reoccurred with people like Howard Hughes, Bill Gates and, yes, Donald Trump.

Working class people spend much of their lives resenting, envying or mistrusting the rich. That creates a natural desire to resolve their issues with the rich and make peace with them. When they see a rich person who is willing to reach across the class divide, speak directly to them on their level and offer them his help, that has a powerful psychological effect.


39 posted on 11/12/2016 11:47:33 AM PST by JediJones (Social conservatism is the root of all conservatism.)
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re: They remain obsessed with cultural issues.

The GOP has also struggled with this. Many Baptist and Assembly of God people, not to forget the Catholic faithful are pro-life while they work in fast food and change oil and JiffyLube and aspire some day to own their own restaurant or auto repair garage.

But the McCains and Romneys... and yes the Ted Cruz types and many others fail to deal with the complete person. They act as if pro-life is isolated from economics.

Meanwhile, the new small businessman in the Republican is harassed by the zoning, building code and other regulations of the local Chamber of Commerce types. So the new entrepreneur class is trained to be anti-Republican because Republicans are seen as trying to put the new business out of business.


40 posted on 11/12/2016 11:51:48 AM PST by spintreebob
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