1) If the US is not a party to the lawsuit, don’t they lose by not showing up to court?
2) Guns and cannons and industrial might 150 years ago don’t solve a question of freedom and law, in the West
3) The Pledge was written by a Socialist
14th Amendment - People can renounce citizenship. I don’t see the relevance.
There’s no explicit Constitutional provision against it. It defies logic that a territory can vote to join a union, but, upon entering, can never ever leave.
No way that the Founders would disallow secession, given they themselves seceded from The King.
Painful as it is, secession is a human right.
Secession is not a human right. The decision to leave is lawful. But you can not separate the states that are part of the union. You also cannot rescind your citizenship and remain in the US unless you qualify for certain visas. And those have limitations.
By withdrawing from the Union, a state would effectively be denying someone who is a citizen of the United States their rights except by due process. The key there is “due process” and in this case, the state would need to find a LEGALLY RECOGNIZED way to withdraw. This would either be some kind of legislation passed in Congress or an Amendment to the Constitution. Anything less will ensure a civil war and no state will win such a war.
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I didn’t go into this thread with the thought of guessing. All I did was quote the Constitution and one of the briefs written by a supreme court justice, Scalia supporting it. I was born and raised in California, central valley. I know how they think, and their complete disregard for the law. I also know they have gone bankrupt in the state treasury a few times due to their mismanagement of funds.
But the point is according to the brief from Scalia, if one person is denied anything due to their actions against the US, they are in violation of the Constitution and the federal government will step in if requested by the violated or if the violation is discovered. It has nothing to do with majority vote. And if they have to step in militarily, the state wouldn’t stand a chance. This is not a bunch of men throwing tea in the harbor. This is like a country threatening to violate the rights of a citizen(s). And that is treason.
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