Can’t apologize ‘cause I admit I didn’t follow your entire conversation back to the beginning. You just said “Methodist”, and I remember when the Methodist Church was good. Of course, most of the Methodist churches now are off the rails with women preachers, homosexuals, etc. But the one who’re true to the Wesleys’ founding tenets aren’t wicked, although they’re few and far between. The ones who’ve fallen into the PC cesspool are “wicked”. So I guess we’re both right!
The UNITED Methodist Church brand is particularly wicked. They are the largest of the nominal “Methodist” or Wesleyan groups, and are about as liberal as the PCUSA, embracing redefined sodomite “marriage” in practice, if not in formal doctrine. Of course, I’m not referring to ALL individual congregations under this umbrella, since I’m sure some of them are still Bible believing, but why associate oneself with such a wicked hierarchy?