I can see you’ve actually tried talking to a lib. Me to. I get the same identical reaction from them Pence got from Kaine.
I went to some lib sites, and they believed Kaine won simply by being an overbearing loud mouthed jerk, which is exactly what libs are, that’s how they think they can win arguments.
I don’t bother anymore. It’s been donkey’s years since I tried that -exercise in futility!!
Every time one of them is speaking on TV, it’s apparent that nothing has changed.
For them... Smart mouth=’smart’. They live in a fact-free universe. :)