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To: Bryanw92
I suspect that will be an re-occurring problem. Have they given any thought about the claim it will expand a sailor's abilities and the associated costs for schools and training to do such? This idiotic change will cost millions and millions in additional training, not to mention the costs to the sailors to change their arm patches.

I understood the change from chambray shirts and dungarees to camis because ships are dirty, oily, greasy mechanisms. I can't count how many times I had to replace my working uniforms because of spots. And you had to keep one chambray shirt/dungarees pristine for inspections.

This is only to do away with the word "man" at the end of some ratings. Just change it to "mate" like a lot of current ratings and save the Navy culture and money. Also, what a bogus argument it will prepare sailors for civilian jobs.

They want NOS sailors to be "jack of all trades, but master of none". Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. No wonder I'm seeing SO many Navy recruiting commercials on various cable shows. They do that when retention is low.

32 posted on 10/01/2016 1:53:18 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: A Navy Vet

>>They want NOS sailors to be “jack of all trades, but master of none”. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. No wonder I’m seeing SO many Navy recruiting commercials on various cable shows. They do that when retention is low.

Will we see a move to the Soviet style Navy where Warrant Officers are the skilled techs and all the Seamen are just wipers and oilers and POs are just wiper supervisors?


35 posted on 10/01/2016 1:57:54 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Not to worry, I'm sure they have some new ideas planned for the uniforms too.


36 posted on 10/01/2016 1:59:14 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: A Navy Vet

They want NOS sailors to be “jack of all trades, but master of none”. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.


The same trend is occurring in education, ie. Common Core. Kids are exposed to dozens of concepts, but are not given the opportunity to master any of them. Perhaps the Navy is changing to reflect how and what its future recruits are going to be. (I know the primary focus is to get rid of the evil “-man” in so many ratings as well).

There is also the idea to make all of the services more like each other rather than celebrating each service’s uniqueness. I am reminded of when Canada unified all of it branches into one service. One cartoon of the time showed a chief crying in his beer after being addressed as “Sarge”.


42 posted on 10/01/2016 2:56:59 PM PDT by hanamizu
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