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The Idea Of National Sovereignty Drives Democrats Nuts
Townhall.com ^ | September 4, 2016 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 09/04/2016 6:35:34 AM PDT by Kaslin

What a novel concept that a country would decide who gets to enter it and who doesn’t. 

Actually, it’s not novel at all. In fact, it was the standard for most of American history. But in 2016, progressives absolutely have lost their minds over the prospect of ensuring those who seek to come to the United States actually add something to it.

Whatever you think of Donald Trump, he did, after a half-hour or so of standard campaign boilerplate, give specifics on his immigration plans in his speech Wednesday night in Phoenix. 

His plan has 10 points. They are, as he put it:

1 Build a wall along the southern border. 

2 End Catch-And-Release.

3 Zero tolerance for criminal aliens.

4 Block funding for sanctuary cities.

5 Cancel unconstitutional executive orders and enforce all immigration laws.

6 Suspend issuing visas to people from any country where adequate screening cannot occur.

7 Ensure other countries take their people back when we order them deported.

8 Complete the biometric entry-exit visa tracking system.

9 Turn off the jobs and benefits magnet.

10 Reform legal immigration to serve the best interests of America and its workers.

Honestly, there’s nothing there a rational person would find objectionable. But Democrats aren’t rational people.

Actually, most of what Trump laid out is current U.S. law, or close. It’s simply not being enforced because Democrats don’t like it. Wonder how they’d feel if a Republican president declared no one would be imprisoned for not paying taxes because it would take parents from their children “through no fault of their own.” But our national sovereignty? Meh.

Liberals’ responses to Trump’s speech show they’ve lost the remaining solids in the vacuum between their ears. I collected some of the most unhinged reactions here

Some are funny. Most are clinically insane and expose their hatred of America. Everything from Nazi comparisons to uncontrollable shaking to actually attacking “angel moms” – parents who had children killed by illegal aliens – their animosity knows no bounds.

The part that bothered progressives most was the concept of screening immigrants to make sure they are an addition, not a drag, on society. “It is our right as a sovereign nation to choose immigrants that we think are the likeliest to thrive and flourish here,” Trump said. 

How does anyone who loves this country have a problem with that? The answer, of course, is they don’t. But progressives do.

Democrats would have you believe the great migration at the start of the 20th century was a free-for-all with wide-open doors flooded with anyone and everyone who wanted to come here. That simply isn’t true. 

Ellis Island was not a turnstile; it was a weigh station. Immigrants seeking the American Dream had to prove they would add value to the country, not be a drag on it. They needed a sponsor and were checked for diseases. If they didn’t pass the standards set at the time, they were denied entry and sent back. That’s a stark difference from today.

Democrats welcome, and even encourage, anyone to simply cross the border or overstay a visa without consequence. They seek to take the extra step in conferring citizenship on them, which actually negates the need for either a border or visas. Without those a country is simply a landmass.

This is, of course, all about votes. Were Democrats compassionate they’d be concerned with the Americans losing out on jobs or having their identities stolen by the illegal aliens, as have 1.1 million Americans in the past few years whom the IRS couldn’t be bothered to notify. Such compassion…

The only thing missing from Trump’s proposal is the imposition of massive fines on employers who hire illegals. Cut them off from work, cut them off from benefits designed for Americans, problem nearly solved.

On the most controversial component of the immigration issue Trump remained mostly silent. He still says there will be no amnesty, but he’s not going to commit the mass deportations he’s discussed in the past.

Trump said he, or more likely a future president, would resolve the question of what to do with the millions of illegal aliens here already.  “That discussion,” he said, “can only take place in an atmosphere in which illegal immigration is a memory of the past, allowing us to weigh the different options available based on the new circumstances at the time.”

No matter where you fall on the issue, nothing Trump said was either crazy and extreme or squishy and insignificant. On one of the signature issues of his campaign, Trump played it relatively safe. And a rational Trump, even in just one speech, is what terrifies the left more than anything. The idea of enforcing U.S. law, of placing what’s best for Americans ahead of immediate political gains, is what drives liberals crazy.

Trump’s speech may not have broken much new ground, but it did peel back the curtain, just a bit, of what Democrats have become. It did force them to expose themselves a little further. That may be more valuable to his campaign in the long run.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: bordersecurity; globalism; immigration
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To: Hardastarboard

Politicians (of both parties) are some of the most verifiably stupid people on the planet.

Not so much stupid as self serving. Calling them stupid makes it sound like what they do is because they are mentally challenge instead of intentionally enriching themselves.


21 posted on 09/04/2016 7:34:45 AM PDT by Leep (Cut the crap!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The political divide is no longer Left-Right.
Those are old-fashioned terms and they don’t especially mean anything. For example, George Will is right wing. Huh?

The real divide is Globalist-Nationalist.

Nationalists are demonized.

If you stand up for America, you’re “the bad guy”.

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Dittos on that, good buddy


22 posted on 09/04/2016 7:36:27 AM PDT by aligncare ( #NeverTrump: When sanctimony meets stupid.)
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To: Jim Noble

Unfortunately, as always, many innocents will suffer in the process. But the innocents are expendable, in the minds of these would-be tyrants.


23 posted on 09/04/2016 7:37:57 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Leep
self serving

Such is the irony - they decry capitalism, yet act in their own self-interest.

24 posted on 09/04/2016 7:39:15 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Kaslin
What a novel concept that a country would decide who gets to enter it and who doesn’t.

True. A thought more native to the Dhimmi’crat mind is deciding who gets to leave it and who doesn’t.

Examples – Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea. This is the kind of border enforcement the Dhimmi’crats can understand.

25 posted on 09/04/2016 7:49:05 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Hardastarboard
I advocate seizure off any and all assets accumulated by illegal aliens. They do it with drug dealers and drunk drivers. I don't care if you have been here six months or twenty years. Seize bank accounts, houses, cars...everything. They will self deport in droves.

Oh, and you don't get a trial. You do not have the constitutional rights of citizens. Can't come up with proper documentation, out you go.

26 posted on 09/04/2016 7:50:25 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Hardastarboard
"You can't deport 11 million people"

I guess that 10 million deportations must be the limit. After all, that's the number that Impeached President Clinton deported during his 8 years in office.

27 posted on 09/04/2016 7:53:54 AM PDT by benldguy (Obama delenda est!)
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To: Kaslin; All
The only thing missing from Trump’s proposal is the imposition of massive fines on employers who hire illegals. Cut them off from work, cut them off from benefits designed for Americans, problem.

Yup. I have been saying this for decades!

Someone on Trump's campaign staff or his advisors should wake up.

This ain't rocket science.

28 posted on 09/04/2016 7:54:05 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: JPJones

“Democrats don’t love or even like America.”

Also, they do not like Americans, Capitalism, individualism, apparently petro, red meat, God, innocence, trouble making fetuses, and themselves!

Marijuana is okay...helps them cope with all the above by keeping their minds in the fog/clouds.


29 posted on 09/04/2016 7:57:46 AM PDT by Leep (Cut the crap!)
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To: Nea Wood

That, and eliminating “anchor babies.” Trump has talked in the past about how illegals cross the border, drop a baby, and then “we have to take care of the baby for 18 years.” So I know he must oppose anchor babies. Not sure why that wasn’t mentioned in the speech, or maybe I missed it?


Answering your ? is relatively easy. The TEN he talked about are already law and would not have to be enacted by Congress so on the FIRST day he could enact these actions. ANCHOR BABIES would require new legislation be created which could take years to get Congress to approve.

You need to upgrade your knowledge database...


30 posted on 09/04/2016 8:13:11 AM PDT by LaMudBug
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To: Kaslin
To me the hatred of national sovereignty among liberals is a gauge of the unity and advancement of the Internaional Socialist movement around the world; not yet so much a powerful force in America. Other countries, especially in Europe, are really indifferent to their own sovereignty. They like the EU and the socialism that is their real faith and belief.

More important, liberals here know that if they can break the nationalist feeling here, they will have made great progress advancing their cause.

31 posted on 09/04/2016 9:01:27 AM PDT by caddie
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To: Kaslin

4 Block funding for sanctuary cities.

4 Block funding to states that have sanctuary cities.

Fixed with results to ensue.


32 posted on 09/04/2016 9:15:37 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: Kaslin

And Ryan, and GOPe as well...No difference.


33 posted on 09/04/2016 9:28:45 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Fatherless violence is the problem; think about the double meaning.)
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To: JPJones

And have been having some interesting conversations here on FR with “conservatives” who (presumably, unknowingly) support globalist free trade, while I argue for tariffs on imports; a more Nationalistic view but one self-describe “conservatives” have real issues with.

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If I remember my economics major correctly—eight years back—it’s that total utility (or worth, or however you want to say it. The ‘official’ term is utility) is maximized when goods and services flow freely.

With one caveat, and that is, ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL.

The problem is that all these ‘trade’ agreements are anything but equal. The countries that we have these agreements with aren’t looking to maximize utility, and so they set their own tariffs and taxes, which ultimately makes the US worse off than if we had no trade agreement at all.

We can’t change what THEY do, but we can change what WE do. Putting up tariffs can snag some of that utility back from the nations taking advantage of us... and a willingness to fight back economically may well convince them to lower their own trade barriers, or at least not raise them too high.


34 posted on 09/04/2016 9:31:02 AM PDT by Luircin (Stomp Hillary, build wall, stop Islam. Any of the above are good reasons to vote. Trump 2016)
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To: Jim Noble

They opposed Christian missionaries coming into help in Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein because they said it tainted (the post-Christian) culture.

Stalinists lie. ALWAYS


35 posted on 09/04/2016 9:37:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama is more supportive of Iran's right to defend its territorial borders than he is of the USA's.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

36 posted on 09/04/2016 10:06:32 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

classy.


37 posted on 09/04/2016 10:14:18 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Fatherless violence is the problem; think about the double meaning.)
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To: Kaslin

You seem to get into an incredible number of interpersonal conflicts on FR


38 posted on 09/04/2016 10:17:14 AM PDT by Enchante (Hillary's new campaign slogan: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!! Laws are for peasants!")
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To: LaMudBug

Don’t attack me. I’m on the right side.

Some say the anchor baby law is just a deliberate misinterpretation and that no new legislation is needed. Just surprised Trump didn’t mention the “we have to take care of them for 18 years” excellent point.


39 posted on 09/04/2016 11:31:43 AM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: P.O.E.
“Tomorrow, the world” has been a totalitarian’s dream since forever.

Like This Kid Here. starting at :22

40 posted on 09/04/2016 12:46:14 PM PDT by Oatka (Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young.)
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