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Does Zika Warrant Bringing Back DDT?
The New American ^ | 06 August 2016 | John F. McManus

Posted on 08/06/2016 4:29:09 AM PDT by VitacoreVision

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To: Rockingham

None of which is sufficient to support a total ban. Far more lives have been lost to malaria than ever were to DDT or any of its metabolites. DDT was banned because of its supposed ecological effects, not its medical effects on humans.


81 posted on 08/07/2016 4:54:05 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: DoodleDawg

Correction, the insecticide properties of DDT began to be promoted in 1939. They were widely known well before that time.


82 posted on 08/07/2016 4:56:03 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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To: PIF
So, everyone gets DDT if you think that you have suffered no harm from it in childhood? What kind of scientific standard is that?

Unless you are presently, have always been, and always will be in utterly perfect health and beat the actuarial tables, you cannot exclude the possibility of harm from DDT -- including harm to any offspring. And the larger point is that no matter your health, due to biological variability, what matters is not isolated individual cases but the cumulative scientific evidence, with much of it based on population based studies.

83 posted on 08/07/2016 4:57:49 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; maine-iac7; Rockingham

If DDT were demonstrably descended as rain from God there would be an outcry against rain. In fact a popular tune in Appalachia in the early 60’s was, “Ain’t no flies on Jesus ‘Cause He’s sprayed with DDT.”
There is no preponderance of scientific evidence demonstrating ill affects of DDT. There is substantial anecdotal statistical documentation that could as easily be attributed to God’s rain.
See post #55 above.


84 posted on 08/07/2016 5:06:37 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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To: Rockingham

Yes! You are right! It is better to allow (or force) millions to die to prove a minor point which sets a “scientific standard” for mega deaths.

All those dead Africans just love being dead - rather than suffer from a cumulative harm proved by a population statistical study which, as everyone knows, cannot be manipulated to prove a point!

FUD - Long live DDT!


85 posted on 08/07/2016 5:24:12 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

So, resting your case on deaths prevented, do you accept that DDT has adverse health and environmental consequences?


86 posted on 08/07/2016 6:04:34 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

No and I do not care about the so-called environment you claim to protect by advocating death for some. Go away.


87 posted on 08/07/2016 6:11:22 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Take a look at the more than 12,000 abstracts and articles in PubMed that reference DDT. They are strongly negative and cumulatively make a potent scientific case against DDT, one that I researched originally because I was dissatisfied with the stale anecdotes and fact deficient reasoning of DDT advocates. As for post #55, a personal account and a guess of no harm does not trump the vast body of scientific evidence against the safety of DDT.


88 posted on 08/07/2016 6:18:22 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: PIF

You sure seem to love DDT.


89 posted on 08/07/2016 6:40:46 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Yep DDT best thing since sliced bread ...


90 posted on 08/07/2016 6:43:39 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: VitacoreVision

Simple question...Out of 10,000 children born to Zika infected moms, how many will be born with small brains?

I found the answer! In the USA, 2-12 per 10,000 BEFORE ZIKA!.

But wait! There is more!

https://www.statnews.com/2016/05/25/zika-microcephaly-what-is-risk/
***Microcephaly can be caused by a number of factors, including a variety of viral infections and ALCOHOL consumption during pregnancy. In the US, between two and 12 babies per 10,000 are born with the condition.***


91 posted on 08/07/2016 7:51:11 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Gen.Blather

http://www.pestproducts.com/permethrin-sfr.htm

Permethrin

But toxic to cats.

Fleas, ticks, chiggers, mosquitoes, flies etc.


92 posted on 08/07/2016 8:45:25 AM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Calamari

cats lives don’t matter


93 posted on 08/07/2016 8:46:16 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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To: Calamari

does not work on resistant critters.


94 posted on 08/07/2016 8:46:35 AM PDT by visualops (It's the majority of the American people and Trump against the enemies of the republic - Windflier)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The fogger trucks still run periodically in the evenings, at least here in Jax. Since there are no notices or warnings I assume it won’t kill us. I see no evidence it harms anything but the mosquitos. No shortage of other bugs or frogs etc.


95 posted on 08/07/2016 8:49:02 AM PDT by visualops (It's the majority of the American people and Trump against the enemies of the republic - Windflier)
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To: visualops

I’m originally from Jax.


96 posted on 08/07/2016 8:52:41 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: visualops

won’t know until its tried.


97 posted on 08/07/2016 9:03:34 AM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Rockingham

“presumably, also in humans”

Well, there you go. . .hard fact and evidence.


98 posted on 08/07/2016 9:15:58 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: rlmorel

“They would rather see their own grandchildren or children deformed and die before saying they were wrong about DDT”

Well they are going to abort them anyway, especially if they are infected.


99 posted on 08/07/2016 9:17:53 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Rockingham

“Strongly negative” is precisely the attitude that precludes unbiased scientific investigation. Truth be told much of the scientific community is funded by government and institutional dollars and has a vested interested in sustaining the status quo. There is a vast body of biased research in any number of fields that exists solely for the purpose of controlling the flow of dollars. Certainly in the case of DDT a nearly infinite number of interests are aligned against its use.


100 posted on 08/07/2016 10:04:36 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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