Russia's Newest Law: No Evangelizing Outside of Church

Christianity Today ^ | 7/8/2016 | Kate Shellnutt

[HLPhat]

The REAL issue is that missionaries of protestant sects—which call Russia “unreached territory” and do not consider Orthodox to be “real Christians”—have NO PLACE in Russia—or in the rest of the Orthodox world!!!! Soros of course supports them

 

Oh that's the "REAL" issue.  Ok.

Tell us, Comrade Honorary Serb - what is the historical track record of the Soviet {oops} Russian Empire regarding "free arguement and debate"?

"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;

 

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 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "

 

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"

--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786

https://www.google.com/webhp?#q=truth%20is%20great%20and%20will%20prevail%20if%20left%20to%20herself

 

[Laser_Ray]

I see that Russia is making a last desperate gamble to go back to their ‘glory days’, and it will fail pitifully. While this is hardly good news for Christians they are far from the bogeymen who terrified everyone who professed faith - many of the KGB are either too broke or drunk to be worth a hoot and their government is running on financial fumes.

[baxtelf]

This is exactly the point. They are trying to protect Orthodox religion and stop the spread of Islam.

[DocRock]

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[HLPhat]

The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo (sic), and infidel of every denomination. [see Appendix No. 4]

--Thomas Jefferson

http://www.history.org/media/flash/jefferson/religiousfreedom.htm

"infidel of every denomination"

What does this mean?

[HLPhat]

>>many of the KGB are either too broke or drunk to be worth a hoot and their government is running on financial fumes.

Meanwhile in reality-land, thanks to Comrade Chairman Obama’s “flexibility” — The Soviets presently enjoy a presence in the Middle East that is unprecedented.

This is in a global context where the strategic subversion and demoralization of American culture is bearing fruits... of all sorts:

 

"According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.

 

It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.

 

The first stage being "demoralization".

It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism.

 

Most of the activity of the department [KGB] was to compile huge amount / volume of information, on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion.  Publisher, editors, journalists, uh actors, educationalists, professors of political science.  Members of parliament, representatives of business circles. "

--KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov

--Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)

 

 

[Roger Kaputnik]

I was asking myself the same question.

I doubt the Russian government is worried about the Orthodox Church being a negative influence, but can see how they would be wary of Islam, and protestant churches that endorse homosexuality.

[Mrs. Don-o]

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[HLPhat]

This is exactly the point.

Exactly the point or exactly an excuse to fire up old habbits in the minds of old men/oligarchic kleptocrats?

Putin and his Soviet cohorts don't exactly have a stellar record regarding their appreciation for free argument and debate among the collective bipedal cattle herd that was penned behind the Berlin Wall. Have their spots changed?

“There are potentially very wide-sweeping ramifications to this law,” Joel Griffith of the Slavic Gospel Association said in a Mission Network News report. “It just depends on, again, how it is going to be enforced, and that is a very huge question mark.”

We'll see. 

Well, assuming it's still legal to talk about it without permission anyhow....

[RevelationDavid]

Really?

[ganeemead]

From what I’ve read, the new laws are aimed at islam, not Christianity.

[elpadre]

aren’t these laws to be enacted primarily aimed as the Muslim religion? After all, Russia has had more problems with radical Islam than the US.

[dfwgator]

Somehow I doubt Putin will blow up the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour, like Stalin did.

[HLPhat]

>>I doubt the Russian government is worried about the Orthodox Church being a negative influence

I forget. What was the influence of the Russian Orthodox State-establishment on the ideological thinking that culminated in such joyous festivities... as the celebration that accompanied the building of the Berlin Wall.

http://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Celebrating+the+berlin+wall

Oh Wait. The celebration wasn’t when they built it, was it.

[HLPhat]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3448224/posts?page=29#29

[HLPhat]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3448224/posts?page=29#29

[HLPhat]

Maybe Putin is just a better chess player than Stalin was.

[HLPhat]

“As for the Russian Orthodox Church, Soviet authorities sought to control it and, in times of national crisis, to exploit it for the regime’s own purposes; but their ultimate goal was to eliminate it. During the first five years of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks executed 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and over 1,200 Russian Orthodox priests. Many others were imprisoned or exiled. Believers were harassed and persecuted. Most seminaries were closed, and the publication of most religious material was prohibited. By 1941 only 500 churches remained open out of about 54,000 in existence prior to World War I.

Such crackdowns related to many people’s dissatisfaction with the church in pre-revolutionary Russia. “

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union

Maybe Pooty is pining to be elected/appointed TZar... like in the good old days?

Ne-bu-chad-ne-zar

“There is no god but the Tzar!”

[ilovesarah2012]

How long until this happens here?

[Marie]

That’s exactly where it came from.

Putin needs to declare Islam a cult - not a legitimate religion - then treat it appropriately.