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Andrea Leadsom quits Conservative leadership race (Theresa May will be next UK PM)
BBC ^ | 11 July 2016

Posted on 07/11/2016 4:53:21 AM PDT by naturalman1975

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To: naturalman1975

England gets It s Romney.


21 posted on 07/11/2016 5:49:18 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Hieronymus

I think it’s more a matter that people think the Home Secretary has a lot more independent power than they actually have. Take as an example, the decision concerning Geller and Spencer - a lot of people seem to think May was completely free to make a decision on that herself.

In actual fact, she was expected to pay very close attention to the recommendations of her department, and she as obliged to follow the principles laid down in law. The Prime Minister may have also ventured an opinion on the issue which should be obliged to treat with respect.

She followed the law which is why the Court of Appeal did not overturn her decision. She’s supposed to follow the law.

I also think some people pay too much attention to the EU and not to the other European bodies that have negatively impacted British law - in this case, in particular, the European Convention on Human Rights, which has often been used to overturn British law - May supports British withdrawal from that Convention - whether she will do anything as Prime Minister remains to be seen (in the short term, I doubt it, because it would not currently be likely to get through Parliament and she seems to understand that - in the longer term, withdrawal from ECHR is almost as important to British sovereignty as withdrawal from the EU.


22 posted on 07/11/2016 5:50:18 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Guenevere

Gove, the weasel who stabbed Boris Johnson in the back, has so damaged the Brexit cause that he has gifted the PM position to a Tory. One of May’s key advisers is already on record speculating about a second vote. The infighting Brexit leaders have ensured that defeat will be snatched from the jaws of victory.


23 posted on 07/11/2016 5:50:49 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: Blennos

so she’s mostly John Major, and not much Thatcher, eh?


24 posted on 07/11/2016 5:52:07 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The blackmailers employed by the globalists must be working triple-overtime these days.

It's obvious they don't care if the blackmail is obvious.

25 posted on 07/11/2016 5:52:14 AM PDT by Stentor (Free the Rosenbergs--Oh wait. Nevermind.)
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To: ConservativeDude

This is the bit that I’m actually finding puzzling. My sense has always been that May is more conservative than Leadsom - apparently a lot of people here are of the opposite opinion and I’m finding that a little puzzling.

My feeling is that some people may not understand the different nature of the jobs they’ve been expected to do. Leadsom was an obscure junior Minister who never really had to do anything all that controversial. May has been the Home Secretary who has to uphold British domestic policy whether she agreed with it personally or not.


26 posted on 07/11/2016 5:56:16 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: ConservativeDude
so she’s mostly John Major, and not much Thatcher, eh?

That's a good way to put it. But maybe she'll surprise us and show a little Thatcher-like courage. But I don't anticipate this.

Hope for the best. Expect the worst.

27 posted on 07/11/2016 5:56:23 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: naturalman1975

UK voted to leave an EU that is already battered by other winds of change.

To assume there will be an effort to rejoin is an error because all is now in flux. Brexit will force a change that over a long time results in a different entity than the “former” EU that will accomplish many of the needed objectives in both the UK and the continent.

Afterall, business is at stake and there is money to be made.


28 posted on 07/11/2016 5:58:09 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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To: naturalman1975

Please define conservative. It may mean something different to us than it means to you.


29 posted on 07/11/2016 6:02:02 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: Guenevere
Actually we have a few brain cells between us here in Freeperville. . .

Er, up to a point, if recent experience is representative. We have definitely developed a culture of panic-and-flame-first-ask-questions-later, with the stresses of the past year.

30 posted on 07/11/2016 6:03:44 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: nwrep
It's one of those "know it when I see it" things - but I've been here for twelve years and have always felt like I fitted in pretty well and still do. And to me, May is more like the mass of Freeperdom than Leadsom is.

Not by a huge margin - I think Leadsom could have been a good Prime Minister for the UK. I was delighted when the choice came down to Gove, Leadsom, and May because any one of them would - to me - have been a good choice (although Gove's recent treatment of Boris Johnson has annoyed me). But I think May is the better choice.

She is the longest serving Home Secretary in over a century and she has done a very credible job in that role. She's been less successful than I wish she had been on immigration, but that's also been a very hard thing to deal with and I hope will be easier now.

31 posted on 07/11/2016 6:08:58 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Guenevere

Between everyone in Freeperville, there are a great many brain cells, but we are not the Borg. You may very well appreciate the nuances: that you couch your doubts about May with the language of belief rather than certainty points in that direction. However, a great many Freepers do not have your brain cells.

I personally have my doubts, but my extensive time in Canada makes me much more cautious about either pontificating or trusting my own assessment. If it were a U.S. politician operating within U.S. parameters, it would be a no-brainer.


32 posted on 07/11/2016 6:09:07 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: naturalman1975

Hopefully she will be good on implementing Brexit. The whole world needs that to happen. Much is riding on that.....


33 posted on 07/11/2016 6:17:08 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: naturalman1975

To be clear - and this will be my last word for now as I really should have gone to bed an hour and a half a go but got caught up in this - I can understand why some people might prefer Leadsom to May. It’s the apparent dismay here at May that I find puzzling. To me, from the view of a conservative who most certainly wants what is best for Britain and believes Brexit is best for Britain, there were two good choices here and only one could win.

I feel like some people are taking the idea that Brexit could be derailed far too readily - it’s virtually impossible - and so see May as somebody who would be likely to do that because she did support Remain. But she’s long been Euroskeptic - and, frankly, Leadsom only joined Leave quite recently (I don’t doubt her sincerity but until quite recently I’d have seen her as much more pro-EU than May).

I also think some people may not understand that being Home Secretary meant May has had particular jobs to do that may not entirely reflect her own personal viewpoints.


34 posted on 07/11/2016 6:19:52 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

New boss same as the old boss.


35 posted on 07/11/2016 6:42:53 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: naturalman1975

Isn’t she about kicking out members of the Commonwealth who make under - what is it? 35,000 pounds? Some of these people are married to nationals, settled into the country and actually have jobs. Meanwhile, muslims are on the dole and going nowhere.


36 posted on 07/11/2016 6:46:27 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: arthurus

Just keeping the seat warm for future PM Sadiq Khan.


37 posted on 07/11/2016 6:48:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: naturalman1975

As Americans, we see how easily state referendums have been overturned (check out California) by politicians and judges. So we are a bit skittish and cynical when a Remain supporter who believes in free movement becomes Prime Minister.

We’ll see!


38 posted on 07/11/2016 6:48:53 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: naturalman1975

Brexit has officially failed. Teresa May is 10 times worse than Cameron. Horrible news.


39 posted on 07/11/2016 7:21:15 AM PDT by montag813
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To: RoosterRedux
May was a "Remain" supporter and favors refuge immigration from muslim countries.

This is also the bitch who BANNED Pamela Gellar and Robert Spencer from the UK (and continued the ban on Michael Savage), while allowing thousands of Islamic radicals in.

40 posted on 07/11/2016 7:22:50 AM PDT by montag813
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