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I worked in the CIA under Bush. Obama is right to not say "radical Islam."
vox ^

Posted on 06/28/2016 1:32:58 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

The recent verbal attacks by the Republican presumptive nominee Donald Trump and his supporters on President Barack Obama for avoiding the phrase "radical Islam" in his public pronouncements are simplistic, racially inflammatory — and flatly misinformed.

Settling upon accurate and strategically nuanced terms to describe the post-9/11 enemy is not the product of "political correctness" (contra Trump) or a failure to understand the enemy (contra a much-discussed Atlantic cover story). Nor are objections to using overly broad terms like "Islamic radicalism" limited to Democrats. The Bush administration understood the power of words, too. It concluded that distinctions that may seem small to Christian-American ears make a big difference to the mainstream Muslims we need on our side.

When I directed the Political Islam Strategic Analysis Program at the CIA in the early 2000s, I frequently interacted with senior Bush administration policymakers about how to engage Muslim communities and, when doing so, which words and phrases to use to best describe the radical ideology preached by al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Always, the aim was to distinguish between radicals and extremists and the vast majority of mainstream Muslims, and to make sure the latter understood that we were not lumping them in with the former.

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KEYWORDS: bush; cia; emilenakhleh; georgesoros; georgesorosmedia; ips; nakhleh; obama; vox
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To: californian by choice

And people bitterly clinging to their Koran?


121 posted on 06/28/2016 4:40:55 PM PDT by proust (Trump/Sessions 2016!)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

The CIA hires whomever advances THEIR agenda. Psychopathic Muslim terrorist who wipes with his hand and thinks the world is flat and kills Jews for fun? No problem! Agree to assassinate Assad and overthrow Syria? Buddy, you’re on the team and if you have anything on the ball, you’ll work directly with US Special Forces. Regular US Air Force cash, weapons, and ammo drops.

Administration crossover makes no difference. Administrations are 4 years, 8 max. CIA and State careers are 30 years with immediate placement in the ‘private sector’ for another 10 to 20 doing the same general thing.

Nakleh isn’t stupid, he is a CIA asset.


122 posted on 06/28/2016 4:41:22 PM PDT by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: ChicagoConservative27

And how successful was this guy? Ft. Hood, San Bernardino, Garland, Tx (failed), NY, LA, New Jersey, Little Rock Ark recruiter killed, Florida attempts and ISIS supporters, etc.

Stay retired, buddy.


123 posted on 06/28/2016 4:43:00 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: headstamp 2
Bush was a sellout on this too.

Of course, since he professed that izzl'am is a religion of peace.

124 posted on 06/28/2016 4:46:20 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Don't call them Daesh OR ISIS or ISIL, they are always "ISLAMIC State.")
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To: IncPen
Recent opportunities to engage Muslims in the US have been mostly law enforcement returning fire...

After being ordered to stand down for a couple of hours.

125 posted on 06/28/2016 4:47:40 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We will no longer surrender this country to the false song of globalism. –Donald Trump)
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To: rdcbn

There just are no words.


126 posted on 06/28/2016 4:50:32 PM PDT by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Worked for Bush. That’s all I need to know.


127 posted on 06/28/2016 4:51:48 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: PROCON

Bush is an extreme idiot who could barely manage the baseball team handed him between drinks.

Daddy was CIA director and the whole family, including the tosser brother the CIA tried to hand us as the next president, are so mobbed up with the Suadis and the bin Laden family, entire books have been written about that.


128 posted on 06/28/2016 4:58:39 PM PDT by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: DJ Taylor

Before Obama,
There was virtually no overwhelming presence of Islam in America, but ALL OF A SUDDEN.....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You might revisit the immediate actions of GWB after 9/11 - one of them being immediate increase in Muslim “immigration.”

“Religion of peace”

“All worship the same god”

“Three Abrahamic faiths”


129 posted on 06/28/2016 5:03:09 PM PDT by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: Electric Graffiti

You’re first one to get it


130 posted on 06/28/2016 5:09:46 PM PDT by wardaddy (for Muslim wives "no" means anal)
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To: kabar

Bush called Islam the ROP. He was wrong. Why can General Sisi of Egypt and French President Holland call it radical Islam and we cannot?

>>> Why does ISIS call THEMSELVES ISIS, but comrades and Muslim brothers OBrennan and OMuslim call them ISIL?

Nakhleh, who was born in Palestine and served in the CIA for 16 years before retiring in 2006, is a Muslim.

>>> Nakhleh didn’t “serve in” the CIA (as in serving the American People) he *served* the CIA (to the detriment and death of the American People and Israelis).


131 posted on 06/28/2016 5:11:49 PM PDT by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: Billthedrill

The problem is not that, it’s jihad, an activity directed not by individual psychosis, but as a collective effort under state level direction.

It’s a war. The people prosecuting it know it’s a war. The victims know it’s a war. The people who sympathize with the murderers know it’s a war. We gain nothing but misery by shielding our eyes from the fact that it’s a war.

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132 posted on 06/28/2016 5:18:54 PM PDT by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: faucetman

The Plague of Islam

If the civilized world is to survive, Islam must be understood for what it really is: It’s not a religion, form of government, or anything recognizable to the civilized mind. Islam is a disease, an incurable disease of the mind that is highly contagious among the feeble minded and is now spreading among the world’s feeble minded at an epidemic rate. As with any disease, one can’t reason with this disease, negotiate with it, or treat in a manner other than how one would treat any other incurable disease.

As past efforts to contain this disease have failed, carriers of this Plague of Islam must be eradicated wherever they’re found, for if they’re not, this disease will eventually end not just Western Civilization, but it will undo over 5,000 years of human civilization.


133 posted on 06/28/2016 5:33:06 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: ZULU

“Bush started the MYTH of the “peaceful” religion.”

Our government has tried being nice to the Muslims (the leaders) and it hasn’t worked. Now we either get run over by them or we use force against them.


134 posted on 06/28/2016 6:02:47 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: x; onyx; Jane Long; PA Engineer; Grampa Dave; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; SaveFerris; ...
You must be very happy today.
Scumbag.


I see you went whining to the mods about a post which was nothing but the truth, which you obviously can't handle.

So the question is, are you a bootlicking BushBot, or some sort of Muslim apologist here?

Or was it just the strong language that got your panties in a twist?

Man up and smell the coffee, between the Bushes and Clintons, America was being sold out long before lil lord Barky came to town.

(and here is my original post at #4, now in a tamer form, so your delicate sensitivities won't be offended):

It’s this kind of attitude that led to the FIRST WTC bombing, and then the SECOND WTC attack in 2001.
This f--kwit has not one single clue.
Islam is the enemy. Even Erdogan of Turkey has emphasized “there is no radical Islam, there is only Islam”.
Wipe the sons o’ b*tches out, all of ‘em.

135 posted on 06/28/2016 6:26:37 PM PDT by mkjessup (Tie Hillary to the tracks, the TRUMP TRAIN is comin' !! (wooo wooo, you b*tch, wooo wooo!))
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To: Sirius Lee
Islam is the enemy. Even Erdogan of Turkey has emphasized “there is no radical Islam, there is only Islam”.

Correct. And all who submit are, to borrow a term from Malachi Martin, the "perfectly possessed."


See my tagline.
136 posted on 06/28/2016 6:31:58 PM PDT by mkjessup (Islam is the ENEMY of all civilized people. Obama is a Muslim. What's that tell ya?!?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

by Emile Nakhleh


137 posted on 06/28/2016 6:33:16 PM PDT by piasa
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To: stephenjohnbanker
B T T T

Thanks ol' FRiend, unfortunately some weak sister took umbrage at my #4, but you can still see it at #135 ;)
138 posted on 06/28/2016 6:34:24 PM PDT by mkjessup (Islam is the ENEMY of all civilized people. Obama is a Muslim. What's that tell ya?!?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
I frequently interacted with senior Bush administration policymakers about how to engage Muslim communities and, when doing so, which words and phrases to use to best describe the radical ideology preached by al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Always, the aim was to distinguish between radicals and extremists and the vast majority of mainstream Muslims, and to make sure the latter understood that we were not lumping them in with the former.

No one had heard of you before 911, and no one has heard from you since.

The words you recommended have not been used since mid Nov., 2001. Guess why?

And Dubya himself corrected his error around Dec 2001 and never used those absurd description of the koranimals since.

Only about 20% of muslims are radical.
No problem. No biggie.

What's a mere 200,000,000 crazed killer two-legged animals worldwide?

139 posted on 06/28/2016 6:36:48 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: publius911

GWB correcting his words in December 2001, means nothing, when one takes into account his covering for his Saudi pals and using the FBI post-911 to escort all of those Saudi terror suspects out of the United States.

He wasn’t part of the solution, he and his neo-con globalist buddies were (and remain) the PROBLEM.


140 posted on 06/28/2016 6:39:18 PM PDT by mkjessup (Islam is the ENEMY of all civilized people. Obama is a Muslim. What's that tell ya?!?)
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