Posted on 06/25/2016 12:37:31 PM PDT by progunner
Hawaii’s governor signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to place its residents who own firearms in a federal criminal record database and monitor them for possible wrongdoing anywhere in the country, his office said.
The move by gun control proponents in the liberal state represents an effort to institute some limits on firearms in the face of a bitter national debate over guns that this week saw Democratic lawmakers stage a sit-in at the U.S. House of Representatives.
Hawaii Governor David Ige, a Democrat, on Thursday signed into law a bill to have police in the state enroll people into an FBI criminal monitoring service after they register their firearms as already required, his office said in a statement
The Federal Bureau of Investigation database called “Rap Back” will allow Hawaii police to be notified when a firearm owner from the state is arrested anywhere in the United States.
Hawaii has become the first U.S. state to place firearm owners on the FBI’s Rap Back, which until now was used to monitor criminal activities by individuals under investigation or people in positions of trust such as school teachers and daycare workers.
“As you can imagine, the NRA finds this one of the most extreme bills we’ve ever seen,” said Amy Hunter, a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association’s institute for legislative action.
The law could affect gun owners outside Hawaii, because the state requires visitors carrying guns to register, Hunter said.
As a result, they could be added to “Rap Back” with no clear protocol for being removed, she said.
Hawaii state Senator Will Espero, a Democrat and a co-author of the law who owns a gun, called the law “common sense legislation that does not hurt anyone.”
The law, which takes effect immediately, allows police in Hawaii to evaluate whether a firearm owner should continue to possess a gun after being arrested.
“This bill, it doesn’t even say your gun will automatically be taken away, it just means local police will be notified,” Espero said in a phone interview.
Ige’s office said he also signed into law two other firearms bills. One makes convictions for stalking and sexual assault among the criminal offenses disqualifying a person from gun ownership. The other requires firearm owners to surrender their weapons if diagnosed with a mental, behavioral or emotional disorder.
Such an easy state to have had a terrible boating accident by which your guns were lost.
Do you honestly feel that the gubmint wouldn't accept this orwellion information with open arms. Hell, that puts Hawaii on the suck up list I figure. Hawaii's gubmint funding just got a massive bump.
Even a simple visit to a psychologist for marital trouble, grief, cancer, can be given a diagnosis and code. Unfair. This disqualifies any Hawaiian from receiving good mental health.
I’m all for people convicted of violent crimes or stalking to lose their right to own guns.
But the mental health one is dead wrong. The mental health professional should only have the right to report those who display evidence of planning harm to self or others.
Yes! And absolutely warrants a mental evaluation.
I think the conspiracy is to usurp due process. Not only are you effectively listed as a criminal, reports, most especially inaccurate results that come from human or technical errors, will result in your due process rights being usurped by forcing unlawful encounters with officers, who likely will be extremely well armed (if not tossing grenades through the door) as they go to collect weapons from ‘noted criminals.’
“But the mental health one is dead wrong. The mental health professional should only have the right to report those who display evidence of planning harm to self or others.”
I think you posted this same nonsense in a thread not too long ago.
What you are agreeing with is exactly the problem. No single person should have the power to deny rights of a citizen based on mental evaluation. Who evaluates the evaluators? In the least there should be a panel of people, and due process to fight it.
Precisly why "We The People" need to oust career politicans. They've gotten to damn cockey.
TERM LIMITS
I wonder if Governor Ige was in Barry Soetoro’s Choom Gang.
He’s a little older, but not enough to make it too unlikely. Geographically it works, although they went to different highschools.
While I see the attraction to term limits, I think there’s some simple solutions;
All campaign funds not spent during an election (or to pay off debts incurred during the election) revert immediately to the government. (No more war chests.)
All laws equally apply to all citizens, elected officials and public employees. If one is granted an exception, it is immediately granted to all. (Cops don’t have background checks? Neither does anyone else. Politicians exempted from health care? Same with the people. Etc.)
Embezzlement of public funds, selling votes, cash for influence, etc which are already crimes shall be punished by no less than complete seizure of all assets the defendant had access to in the past 5 years and imprisonment for no less than 10 years. (Get caught, lose everything.)
How does that (I respectfully ask) rid us of lobbyist butt kissing career politicos. In my humble opinion this is amongst our major problems. Two terms and out! Join the ranks of the rest of us in the salt mines.
piss on Ige .... Nippon-American hand wringer and milk toast
By his outrageous demonstration of thoughtcrime, off to the gulag with Comrade-FRiend Husker for an inquisitive nature bordering on psychotic schizophrenia!///
I’m thinking Detroit, maybe. Or Chiraq.
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/Solzhenitsyn.htm
“The issue became prominent in the 1970s and 1980s due to the systematic political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union, where approximately one-third of the political prisoners were locked up in psychiatric hospitals. ...Time and again, human rights and mental health organizations receive reports on cases of abuse of psychiatry for political purposes. The fact that these reports come from a wide range of countries shows that there is an ongoing tension between politics and psychiatry and that the opportunity to use psychiatry as a means to stifle opponents.”
and at the same time this Governor is NOT addressing the fact that within Hawaii’s medical marijuana permit holder data base there are MANY firearms owners that hold medical marijuana permits , openly violating the clear Federal requirement that anyone owning a firearm cannot ‘ be addicted to or a user of marijuana “ ( BATF yellow form )
Of course in uber Liberal Hawaii smoking pot is a sacred cow and the wimpy Gov will not go anywhere near that one .
He should link the Hawaii Criminal Data Base / FBI Rap Back to the medical MJ permits data base . See what happens then !
A city councilman runs for state assembly, does two terms, runs for state senate, backstabs the district once they win the second time, moves on to a congressional position (or a cushy position in a ‘think tank’) while enjoying double dipping ‘retirement’ packages from their state office time and local service.
There is nothing that can be done to punish these politicians as they can't be re-elected. They can't be fired, as they've already been fired. And absolutely better believe that that second state senate term is where they REALLY start sticking it to the people.
Your preaching to the choir my friend and I agree. I should have elaborated some. Two terms and “No more gubmint positions”.
I guess there is no such thing as due process in HI.
So much for the Constitution.
I wonder if I will see the shooting start?
5.56mm
Well,,,, the "soap box" didn't work. Let's hope the next "ballot box" works or I too fear the incorporation of the "cartridge box"
Wrong. They have put only legal, non-violent, honest citizens in their database. They have not put illegal, violent criminals in it.
Their intention is to take guns from honest, non-violent citizens and leave them in the hands of violent criminals.
Yes.
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