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Waving a Blood-Soaked Rainbow Flag to Scapegoat Christians
New York Times ^ | June 16, 2016 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 06/16/2016 8:58:16 AM PDT by reaganaut1

When the Southern Baptist leader Russell Moore reached sympathetically out to the L.G.B.T. community in the wake of Orlando, the gay writer Zack Ford expressed a view often heard this week: that unless conservative Christians change their minds on homosexuality, their post-Orlando expressions of solidarity are worthless.

The Times took a similar line in its lead editorial today, smearing G.O.P. politicians opposed to various L.G.B.T. rights laws with the blood of the Orlando dead.

This escalates the culture war to an openly religious conflict, in the sense that neither side can back down without compromising what it holds sacred. And it turns L.G.B.T. advocates into heretic hunters who persecute thought criminals by demonizing dissent.

In the past, many Christians treated gays cruelly. Sadly, some still do. Christians must repent of this ugly legacy and condemn anti-gay hatred when it emerges. This is basic obedience to the Bible, which tells us that every human being, however broken we all are, is created in the image of God.

Yet that same Bible gives us Christians a particular anthropology, and reveals to us the meaning of sex and marriage within the cosmic order. As unpopular as that view is, we Christians who profess orthodox forms of the faith cannot reject it without doing serious violence to the truth, and to our consciences.

We also believe that a society that loses that vision of sex and marriage courts disaster, and that the advance of L.G.B.T. rights means a corresponding loss of religious liberty -- hence our activism and our voting. L.G.B.T. people, of course, oppose us publicly and privately. Our views are irreconcilable, but that doesn’t mean either side is motivated by irrational animus.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexuals
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Part of an NYT "Room for Debate: Have Christians Created a Harmful Atmosphere for Gays?". When a closeted Muslim homosexual kills gays in the name of Allah, it must be the fault of conservative Christians /s.
1 posted on 06/16/2016 8:58:16 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Well, at least I know of 49 wedding cakes no Christian will ever be forced to bake.


2 posted on 06/16/2016 9:03:05 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: reaganaut1
a view often heard this week: that unless conservative Christians change their minds on homosexuality

It's God's word. I will forever hate the sin of homosexuality, and, still have compassion for repentant gays.

3 posted on 06/16/2016 9:04:09 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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"In the past, many Christians treated gays cruelly. Sadly, some still do."

Almost all the "cruelty" and "hated" consists of Christians opposing gay marriage and considering homosexual behavior a sin.

4 posted on 06/16/2016 9:04:47 AM PDT by circlecity
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Some Christians presume to be able to do God’s job and condemn them to Hell, but they’re not the ones gunning them down....


5 posted on 06/16/2016 9:04:56 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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6 posted on 06/16/2016 9:04:59 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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Why assume the “Christians” or “Conservatives” are “standing in unity” with the gay agenda? Can’t they/we just be sympathetic? We may not agree with their agenda, but certainly would not wish physical harm or death upon them. Can’t these people differentiate?


7 posted on 06/16/2016 9:06:49 AM PDT by EDINVA
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Anderson Cooper blamed Pam Bondi’s support of traditional marriage on the massacre.

Really? The killer shot up the place because he was a supporter of traditional marriage?

The guy was gay for crying out loud. He would have shot up Disneyland, but with the wide open spaces and efficient security he couldn’t have caused as much mayhem as he did in the confined spaces of the “gun free” nightclub.

Liberal will blame anyone but who actually caused the murder.


8 posted on 06/16/2016 9:09:35 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: circlecity
Yep. There is nothing normal or natural about inserting an organ designed to inject seeds of life into one designed to rid the body of toxic fecal matter.

It is even less normal and natural to do it as often as possible with as many partners as possible in a manner that can only spread a deadly disease virus.

9 posted on 06/16/2016 9:11:22 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: reaganaut1

Lesson number one for lunatic leftists: Always blame America first, then Christians, whites, Republicans and any other group who threatens their power base.


10 posted on 06/16/2016 9:11:38 AM PDT by armydawg505
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Here’s what really matters, and I think the homos will grasp it:

When the chips were down, and it came to a choice between defending the homos against those who want to kill them, and the killers themselves, the right chose to defend the homos, and the left chose to defend the killers.

Talk is cheap. For all the left talks about loving homos, they won’t act when action is needed.


11 posted on 06/16/2016 9:11:54 AM PDT by Boogieman
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They can play their games all they want.

Lots of gays are seeing the truth.

Democrats cleave to Muslims more than them, and Muslims want to kill them.


12 posted on 06/16/2016 9:14:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Chuck Norris finally met his match in Donald Trump.)
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Where is the left’s compassion for the thousands and thousands of Christians have been slaughtered in the Middle East by ISIS?


13 posted on 06/16/2016 9:15:21 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: reaganaut1
In the past, many Christians treated gays cruelly. Sadly, some still do. Christians must repent of this ugly legacy and condemn anti-gay hatred when it emerges.

Any examples of this 'cruelty'?
Or are they saying it is cruel when a Christian baker, or florist, refuses to be forced to participate in a Sodomite fake wedding?
Or are they pretending that the 'Laramie Project' hero was set upon by Christians because they found out he was a homosexual (as opposed to being set upon by fellow druggies when his drug deal went bad).

This is basic obedience to the Bible, which tells us that every human being, however broken we all are, is created in the image of God.

We are all sinners (broken). That is true.
Man and Woman are made in the image of God. That is true.
But unrepentant sinners have no place in the Kingdom. It behooves all Christians to sound that warning loud and clear. The Sodomite (or Adulterer, or Rapist, or, etc) who stays in their sin will spend eternity in hell-fire. To sit on our hands and just pat the sinner on the back and tell them it is OK to stay in their sin is just wrong.

Ezekiel 18:30b-32
...Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

14 posted on 06/16/2016 9:15:41 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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>But unrepentant sinners have no place in the Kingdom.
Not one person on this Earth can make that proclamation for anyone other than themselves.

>It behooves all Christians to sound that warning loud and clear

No, it just gets more rats elected.


15 posted on 06/16/2016 9:25:06 AM PDT by soycd
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To: El Cid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggery_Act_1533


16 posted on 06/16/2016 9:25:19 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: El Cid

Well quite frankly some Christians have considered policing a secular country that has no divine covenant equivalent to policing eternity.


17 posted on 06/16/2016 9:25:43 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Won’t matter how many muzzies kill homos. The homos will still ALWAYS blame conservatives and Christians. Their fascistic obsessiveness with submission, undoubtedly cultivated in their perverted sexual inclinations, will always seek to target those unwilling to equate their lifestyle as equal or superior to ‘breeders.’

This notion that homos will suddenly wake up and allign themselves with conservatism is fanciful. Reminds me so much of the PUMA crowd in 2008, that were going to be voting in huge waves for McCain-Palin. What a crock.


18 posted on 06/16/2016 9:26:31 AM PDT by greene66
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To: soycd

Policing America and policing eternity aren’t the same thing. (Even if the corny song does claim that the streets of heaven are guarded by Marines.)

But it’s true, Christians should police their own hearts first, bring them back within the scope of Jesus Christ and get them out of the scope of the devil.


19 posted on 06/16/2016 9:27:37 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: greene66

God does things that you could not even dream of.


20 posted on 06/16/2016 9:28:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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