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To: madprof98

Unlike Muslims (who are commanded to take wrath into their own hands), Christians tend to let the Lord take care of that wrath thing ... just as we are told to do.

Even when people do things that are worthy of death.

It is absolutely true that homosexuals were on the list of those who cannot enter the Kingdom and IMMEDIATELY after that Paul writes “and such were some of you” so the former list applies with those who remain unrepentant till the end.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me ... not “most things”, there is nothing special about homosexuality that makes it impossible for God to bring a homosexual to repentance.

There is another passage that applies, when people brought up those whom Pilate had killed and mixed their blood with their sacrifices. What Christ said applied then and it applies now: unless someone repent they too will perish ... not because they were worse sinners than others but because they didn’t repent while there was still time.

That means someone cannot continue to define themselves as “gay” as if that’s who and what they really are, the vital aspect of their self-identity, and also say they are “Christian”. That’s trying to serve two masters and it will eventually be obvious by the master honored which is actually their only master: either Christ or sin.

The sense that there is any “middle ground” between these extremes is merely an illusion brought about because mortal saints are still carrying around their old body of death that still tries to get us to obey it. In Christ we are new creations and the proper definition of ourselves is then “Christian”.

There is no option of being a Christian who is proudly gay anymore than there is being Christian and also high-handedly unrepentant for any other sin one might care to name.

But Christ, through the working of the Holy Spirit, can change what men in their own strength cannot.

And really, I’ve come to think that the gay-before/over-all-else crowd finds the suggestion that repentance is possible to be very offensive to them. It’s why they so often attack any who claim to have repented.


34 posted on 06/13/2016 4:11:54 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne

It’s one of a myriad of possible “strong delusions.”

The bible speaks of people who invite it, who embrace the devil to do his worst.

Some people will eventually hit rock bottom doing this, and God accepts a call from the bottom of the deepest pit.

Sometimes, a strong display of grace to the sinner can hasten this process — the person beholds what his/her conduct has been destroying and is taken aback and calls out to God for help in preserving it instead. This is how, for example, Jesus was able to appeal to adulteresses without climbing all over them with condemnation.

But, alas, some will keep racing to the bottom of a bottomless pit and not even stop for eternity itself. It seems crazy that anyone should want to go to hell, but apparently some do... they want to be rebels forever.


38 posted on 06/13/2016 4:20:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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