Saw him say it. Left no doubt that it was tribally motivated. Can't watch him since.
I saw him say it as well, Stentor. Back when Beck was interviewing him walking down the street in his home town. Said he ‘got caught up in the blank thang’, or something like that.
Never listened to a word Payne said after that. Payne is one of them (personally responsible for fundamentally changing America). Sad but a 100% true fact.