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No, We Haven’t Discovered ‘Gun Control That Actually Works’
The Federalist ^ | June 1, 2016 | Daniel Payne

Posted on 06/01/2016 9:10:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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1 posted on 06/01/2016 9:10:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sure "we" have.....


2 posted on 06/01/2016 9:16:57 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Depends on how you define “work”


3 posted on 06/01/2016 9:18:09 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I'm emotionally against guns, but I'm pro-choice for you.

I'm a prolifer. To me the issue is like being against a Life carpetbagger like Bob Dole, who was pro-abortion in his earlier political career but "became" pro-life to synchronize with his constituency.

Guns are nasty, toxic, heavy, if you carry one, you should carry two, one on each side, so you don't throw off your hips.

What I'm against is, anyone needing to be armed. If there are bad guys on the immediate horizon, I'd much rather have my radar out and escape them, than have to deal with the authorities after having to shoot a bad guy.

What I'm for is, leftist (don't say liberal) elites which want to apply their social engineering to your life; I'm against mushrooming quasi-governmental agencies arming their operatives--insurance agents with guns by where I work; I'm against Hillary's private security being armed, rolling into my community to make way for Her Majesty's August Presence, while the people in that community can't protect themselves, against Her favored subjects, beneficiaries of government largess.

4 posted on 06/01/2016 9:21:05 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The firearms covered by the NFA, on the other hand, are niche items—certain carbines and fully-automatic M4s and handguns with shoulder-stocks.

The arms restricted by the NFA and all but banned by the Hughes Amendment are standard military arms; those most directly and explicitly protected by the Second Amendment.

5 posted on 06/01/2016 9:22:41 AM PDT by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Gun control has become Obama’s best economic and jobs program with the sales of over 100,000,000 guns.
6 posted on 06/01/2016 9:25:38 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Keeping guns out of felon's hands, out of certifiable crazy people (Beck comes to mind), is one thing, but registries and other restrictions against legal citizens is wrong. Limit certain weapons? Only if they are also taken away from the police.

What would be great to see is an update to our gun laws: (1) recognize that citizens in good standing (e.g., not felons or certified crazy) have right to arm themselves; (2) that they may carry their gun open or concealed most anywhere; (3) that no state or local government can usurp these rights; and (4) no tax or registration of firearms, accessories, or munitions. Bet that sounds like an extreme position to people wanting to ban guns but it should be a legit starting point. The 2nd amendment is a national matter, not state or local. It is our Constitution and no way should any of our rights be different based on what of a state, county, or city line we live or stand on. Maybe President Trump can lead a public discussion on a solution that congress and he can agree to.

7 posted on 06/01/2016 9:27:36 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Like herpes, Cruz can always flare up again. Treat with Trump.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We DO NOT trust the Federal Government. Registration gives tyranny a head start in putting down opposition.

Put GPS tracking chips on all advocates of a National gun Registry, with their current location indicated on an open access website. Include any official with the authority to dispatch SWAT teams. Then we’ll think about it.


8 posted on 06/01/2016 9:28:13 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: NorthMountain

It’s a Scary Guns Act... no wonder why it was chosen as a model. Just declare All Guns to be Scary Guns and then there you are.

The old model of letting alone all honest people who want to carry hasn’t been beaten. We want dishonest people to fear, and the only thing they will fear is being accosted.


9 posted on 06/01/2016 9:29:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Apparently Fast and Furious did, didn’t it? Just ask the Clintons, pay offs to the Mexican Drug Cartels to get the guns and heat seeking missiles and other things thru there, and then the overthrow of Libya, Syria = ISIS...and the government knew all about it...

We were told by the MSM, paid talk show hosts and talking heads, media online twits that this was to shut down our Second Amendment rights, and people swallowed that hook, line and sinker, but guess what...this is why Fox from Mexico is trying everything he can to stop Trump from becoming President, every body has their hands in the cookie jar...

GO.TRUMP.GO!!!


10 posted on 06/01/2016 9:32:39 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump; Trump; Trump; Trump; 100%)
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To: Reno89519

Interesting approach; one might ask about “ordinary sales taxes” but it’s kind of parallel to the way that religion is treated, or at least supposed to be treated. Churches get to make some transactions tax free.

I might suggest a skill or training requirement, in harmony with the “well regulated militia.” With that right comes a duty to make an effort to do it well, and the amendment even says so.


11 posted on 06/01/2016 9:33:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to “promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis,”

The NRA’s interest in promoting the shooting sports among America’s youth began in 1903 when NRA Secretary Albert S. Jones urged the establishment of rifle clubs at all major colleges, universities and military academies.

the NRA continued its commitment to training, education and marksmanship. During World War II, the association offered its ranges to the government, developed training materials, encouraged members to serve as plant and home guard members, and developed training materials for industrial security. NRA members even reloaded ammunition for those guarding war plants. Incidentally, the NRA’s call to help arm Britain in 1940 resulted in the collection of more than 7,000 firearms for Britain’s defense against potential invasion by Germany (Britain had virtually disarmed itself with a series of gun-control laws enacted between World War I and World War II).


12 posted on 06/01/2016 9:35:51 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else need s said?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Agreed. (1) Pass a simple, basic national firearms standard course/test or (2) Be a military service veteran.


13 posted on 06/01/2016 9:43:01 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Like herpes, Cruz can always flare up again. Treat with Trump.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

As for Berlow’s broader argument, that gun registration promises “tremendous success” in reducing gun violence: this is a dubious proposition at best and a willfully ignorant one at worst.

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Passing a law is one thing .... compliance is another.

[NY] State’s SAFE Act needs to set its sights on compliance [article as of Tuesday, January 12, 2016 ]
http://www.timesunion.com/tuplus-opinion/article/State-s-SAFE-Act-needs-to-set-its-sights-on-6754126.php

The SAFE Act also required that the estimated 1 million assault weapons in private ownership in 2013 be registered with the State Police. After the Cuomo administration stonewalled a Freedom of Information request for more than a year, an Albany judge ordered the State Police to release data on the number of weapons registered as required. They revealed that only 44,000 firearms had been registered.

Subtract from that number the firearms owned by police officers and licensed dealers (who have little way to avoid registration), and it’s clear the compliance rate for registration among average citizens is less than 4 percent. It’s hard to call a law that commands a 96 percent noncompliance rate a success

Due to its time-wasting bureaucracy, three-quarters of the state’s county sheriffs (including those elected in virtually all of the rural counties) have made clear they are not aggressively enforcing the SAFE Act, except as an “add-on” charge for other crimes, and 52 of the state’s 62 county legislatures have approved resolutions opposing the SAFE Act


14 posted on 06/01/2016 9:46:09 AM PDT by Qiviut (In Islam you have to die for Allah. The God I worship died for me. [Franklin Graham])
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Guns are nasty, toxic, heavy, if you carry one, you should carry two, one on each side, so you don't throw off your hips.

A sidearm is a tool. Just as a hammer hanging from a loop on the belt. Nothing more. That the local constabulary insists they be concealed and a permit issued for same is deeply offensive to me.

I could walk through town with a hammer on my belt and no one would bat an eye. And no...I don't have to carry two hammers to keep from throwing off my hips. That is ridiculous.

I'll settle for an extra magazine...or two.

15 posted on 06/01/2016 9:46:24 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (#BlackOlivesMatter)
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To: Reno89519
Agreed. (1) Pass a simple, basic national firearms standard course/test or (2) Be a military service veteran.

The Second Amendment prohibits your proposal. I agree with the Second Amendment.

16 posted on 06/01/2016 9:56:51 AM PDT by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Check out all the green States at the end ... I do NOT want to go back to having to ask the State "Mother may I?" to exercise my right to bear arms.

17 posted on 06/01/2016 10:00:35 AM PDT by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I might not. Establishing a skill or training requirement means setting standards which are, most likely, enforced by whatever government entity the training program installs. With that in mind, think about how the standards can be abused, misapplied, or be unreasonably attainable. If you’re in doubt about this, recall the Southern states and their requirement that black voters “pass a test” before being granted the inalienable right to vote. Having a government arbitrarily decide who does and doesn’t qualify to express his inalienable right doesn’t work.


18 posted on 06/01/2016 10:14:56 AM PDT by DPMD (o)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The key is weapon stabilization. I suggest a prone position if possible. Sitting is good as well. Sometimes these are hard in the field and the shooter should be practiced with both kneeling and off hand shots.

That's the only gun control I worry about.

19 posted on 06/01/2016 10:17:15 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (A new Power is rising. Against it the old allies and policies will not avail us at all. -Saruman)
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Well this purpose is firmly stated in the amendment.

Anything on God’s green earth can be abused; it is up to America to keep enough vigilance on itself not to do that, including letting the private sphere be the guardians of the standards. Doctors do not need to pass government examinations to be permitted to practice; it is enough that they pass the examinations of universities that have a cross-accreditation system.


20 posted on 06/01/2016 10:20:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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