Because voter fraud.
Posted on 05/27/2016 9:06:21 PM PDT by profit_guy
2000 50.3%
2004 55.7%
2008 57.1%
2012 54.9%
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>60% — there is a lot of enthusiasm for Trump.
That seems too high imo. Obama enthusiasm only generated 57.1% in 2008.
56% ... America is super engaged, but the Obama Phone crowd will stay home since Hillary has nothing to give them and all Trump can give them is something they don't want which is employment as a result of an improved economy due to the government getting its mealy retarding hands out of small business's way.
If Trump is successful, we will probably see a few bad years as the bubbles are allowed to truly deflate (and not transmigrate) and debt unwinds ... and then a resurgent America IF Trump has 8 years followed by more of the same-ish getting gov out of the way of business cycles. How terrible.
I'm assuming you mean this group is heavily in favor of Trump? And do you think Manafort will make a difference in voter turnout and possibly getting some control over fraud? Afterall, McCain and Romney didn't strike me as hungry enough, and ANYTHING that Trump can do, he will imo.
Don’t underestimate Trump and his supporters.
I am hoping that my estimate is actually on the low side and real turnout will even be much higher.
Make America Great Again!
VOTE, VOTE, VOTE Trump!
Because voter fraud.
Fraud is indeed a serious concern. All the dead and illegals will be voting for Hillary, and all those who are registered, but won’t actually tur out to vote. The Dems will happily fill out those ballots, voting for Hillary.
Enough real people need to vote for Trump to counteract and overwhelm the above to help Trump win.
Obama’s enthusiasm was because of the media. Trump’s enthusiasm I’d in spite of the media. 58-60% seem a reasonable guess.
Trump needs to instruct Manafort and the RNC to drag every registered voter to the polls, preferably by early voting.
Fortunately OH NC VA FL and NH have some form of voter ID laws. If he wins those, which is very doable, then he is POTUS. Hopefully Trump can pick off a rust belt state or two as well. It’s criminal how the major Dem states have NO voter ID requirements whatsoever.
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state
My best analysis would be in the 58%-58.5%, partially because of the crossover vote and some of the silent majority that will turn out from Trump. I would be very surprised if it passed 59% because of the depressed RAT vote and the SandersTards staying home. M2C.
That would be hugely in Trump's favor if you are correct.
there will be violent riots at voting locations around the country. mobs will be bussed to the ‘burbs’ from the inner city and ghettos of latinos, north-african-middle-eastern-refuge hordes of invaders, and america’s own “african american” trayvon youth brigades. There will be bloodshed in the streets and destruction of voting stations/locations. It won’t surprise me if there are multiple fatalities in many suburbs, as the ‘gibmedats’ kill whitey and working class people they HATE.
Martial law.
the ‘gibmedat’ nation will not surrender their strangle hold on this nation, without loss of life.
THAT is where things are headed. And there will be constant threats alluding to it between now and now as they seek to suppress white, majority, elderly and decent folks turnout.
Obama has had eight years to set this subversion up. We are not as far behind Venezuela as folks think. Our commie bastard was as bad as theirs or worse... it is just that our extreme wealth and technology has helped to cover it up.
I doubt very seriously there will be a peaceful transition of power. Too much power at stake.
I think Manafort will do a competent, and even very good job at not messing up the job Trump has already done getting the country engaged.
I think the election is very much a deal between Trump himself and the American people. His organization of course must be competent and support and compliment that, and not get in the way of it, and help legitimize it in the eyes of those who mistake Trump's strong brash personality as a problem ... but other than that, it's between Trump and individual voters.
I'm not sure the fraud machine will matter ... but likely it will be tamped down simply because in the past, Republicans themselves are so ethically and professionally compromised that they couldn't throw stones. Trump and his campaign can call out anything they want without fear of the enemy exposing Trump's own sins ... because Trump really doesn't have anything to hide.
By all-other-native-born ... I mean typical Americans who aren't part of some victim tribe ... and I don't say 'white middle class' because there are plenty of so called minority 'members' who don't identify with the victim tribes/clans and there comes a time to quit identifying ourselves as black / white / latino. There are real Americans, self identified victims with American citizenship, anti Americans with American citizenship. At some point, if we don't start looking at things as MLK did, we will be a country perpetually used by politicians pushing clan/gang mentality between us.
Even as Obama has sharpened the clan distinction and tried to fire it up, I think it's not as prevalent across the country as the media and hate-hoaxes and fake prosecutions make it ... so I think all American's who either love the country or dont-hate-it-and-just-want-to-make-a-good-free-life see their way of life as threatened, so will show up to vote in strong numbers, mostly because of Trump. Maybe my number is too high because moderate-demmy-liberal-lights might just stay home. They don't hate America, don't really understand the issues but are liberal to be fashionable, but I don't think they like Hillary since no one does, certainly can't stomach Trump because of attachment to their identities, so they will stay home.
That means weak turn out from two 15%'s of the voting populations, strong turn out from 50% percent ... so a moderatelystrong-to-verystrong overall turnout.
I just don't see it being close enough for fraud to matter. Maybe that changes with Biden ... but really Biden's only draw is that he's not Hillary and dems don't hate him, harder for Trump to stamp. But ... he has nothing to offer, he's just an unhated hillary light.
I suspect landslide ... almost willing to put money on landslide.
Tinyowl, I do hope you are right about the landslide.
I would offer a word of caution about the attendance and enthusiasm at Trump’s rallies. Those numbers have to translate into people going to the polls and filing a vote for him, and having that vote be accurately counted. I’d thought Romney would win in ‘12 due to his “huge rallies” and we were sadly mistaken. Remember the ORCA project? Yeah.
Will this election resemble that of 1968? The vote was close then, and California, Ohio, and Illinois were crucial states. We were a different country then, but some things haven’t changed.
Trump has some of the best minds and best strategists on his side. Between now and Election Day, nothing, not the tiniest thing, can be taken for granted.
The nation’s last primary elections are on June 7. I’ll be voting then, and will try to make careful observations about voter mood and turnout. Primary elections usually draw fewer voters than the general election, but this year might be different. We’ll see.
I’m cautiously optimistic.
50% maybe less...
Both candidates have so little appeal to the voters that I think most well just stay home..
64.7% - he’s the first reason many will have had to get out for at least 12 years, and for many of us, since Reagan.
Less than 50% both candidates have the highest “unfavorable” ratings ever. The only thing that would get if over 50% is Bernie running third party. His supporters are loyal to him.
could very well be below 45%, given Trump and Clinton, but honestly, who cares? The only thing that matters is who gets the highest number of votes; if Trump wins 60-39.0-1.0 or 49.9-49.8-.3(minor parties), given that the EC has gone with the national pop vote winner in 53 or 57 American elections, who cares?
Its another talking point for each party to delegitimize the others’ mandate.
Yesterday’s conversation ping
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