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Untold Damage: America’s Overlooked Gun Violence
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/us/americas-overlooked-gun-violence.html?_r=0 ^ | 16.05.22 | SHARON LaFRANIERE, DANIELA PORAT and AGUSTIN ARMENDARIZ

Posted on 05/22/2016 4:36:00 PM PDT by golux

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To: umgud

PA has a mandatory 5 yr sentence added for a crime committed with a gun. First thing plea bargained away.


41 posted on 05/22/2016 5:57:55 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

...society would not be so complacent if whites were dying from gun violence at the same rate as blacks....

Blacks don’t even care. Thats a fact. Just look at the silence of Black Lives Matter,which is based on the Michael Brown lie, Obama, Sharpton, and Jackson.


42 posted on 05/22/2016 5:59:35 PM PDT by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prison 2016)
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To: golux
Overlooked my @$$. Every time I turn around some mealy mouthed punk who's never actually seen a gun, and who doesn't have the ability to summon three actual facts about the sociology of crime in America is telling me how we have a gun problem.

Overlooked? No. Over hyped? Yes.

43 posted on 05/22/2016 6:01:04 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Better Call Saul (Alinsky). "Make them live by their own rules")
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To: ClearCase_guy

These stats are from Chicago in 2011.

Not much has changed in 2016.

Who is being killed, and by whom? It must be the guns’ fault.

Turning to the Chicago Police Department’s 2011 Chicago murder analysis, one might be surprised to learn that nearly nine in 10 murder suspects and about 80 percent of murder victims have criminal records. That’s right—80 percent of the murders committed in Chicago involve at least one person with a criminal history


44 posted on 05/22/2016 6:11:03 PM PDT by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prison 2016)
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To: golux

Black on black crime is not profitable. It’s not profitable politically it’s not profitable for city pay offs, and it’s not profitable for lawsuits.


45 posted on 05/22/2016 7:38:02 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: golux

Outrage is referenced many times in this article, the lack of it by whites in particular.

As if outrage had anything to do with a solition. It doesn’t. It just keeps people excited.

Look to those cities which have low rates of murders and copy them. Shall issue ccw will be shown to quiet things down dramatically.

It would also appear that 3 strikes laws should be used as well as mandatory 10 year terms for committing a violent felony with a gun on your person. No plea deals, no parole on either type of law.

Simply look at what everyone knows works and those techniques will work. Leave your outrage at home.


46 posted on 05/22/2016 7:44:54 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: golux

>>Michael Nutter, a former Philadelphia mayor, who is black, said that society would not be so complacent if whites were dying from gun violence at the same rate as blacks.

Well, of course! Whites see a problem and fix it. We don’t wait for a “government program” or awareness from outside the community. But mostly, we don’t have a problem with sending a “good white boy who made a mistake” to prison especially when he’s been making those “mistakes” in the neighborhood since he was 13 and now he’s standing over a dead body or the victim of his rape. When your culture shelters animals, then expect to be overrun with animals.


47 posted on 05/23/2016 3:28:34 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: golux
“Clearly, if it’s black-on-black, we don’t get the same attention because most people don’t identify with that. Most Americans are white,” said James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University in Boston. “People think, ‘That’s not my world. That’s not going to happen to me.’ ”

We notice - that's how we know to discount all the rhetoric about how Whitey keep killin' Blackie for no rezun....

48 posted on 05/23/2016 3:42:39 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: oldbrowser

Exactly, if every word, thought, and deed is a rejection of my culture, why on earth should I feel responsible in any way? Am I supposed to change in some way to fix THEIR problem?.


49 posted on 05/23/2016 3:52:44 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: mythenjoseph
Felons lose that right. The majority of shootings I've seen were either by people who already had a felony record or who were in their mid-teens and younger.

You wanna arm every thirteen year old and deal with the consequences, fine, but it's not rational to have kids who were raised more by other kids than by whoever happens to claim them on their welfare sheet shouldn't be running the streets day and night with handguns.

50 posted on 05/23/2016 5:06:27 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: golux

“Gun violence” is not really “gun” violence at all, rather “race” violence; let’s be accurate


51 posted on 05/23/2016 2:25:33 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: Rashputin

States have passed many laws deemed felonious ...Florida for example made the 3rd charge of driving on a suspended license a “FELONY” They rescinded the felonious classification after much squawk from it’s citizens....but the person’s who fell into the “felony” classification were stripped of basic “RIGHTS” such as owning and possessing a firearm. This is just one instance. Your ranting about 13 year olds having a gun is foolish to say the least. I live by what I said “I do not need permission for a right”


52 posted on 05/24/2016 3:26:15 PM PDT by mythenjoseph (Separation of powers)
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To: mythenjoseph

Fine, having the thirteen and fourteen year old kids do killings for you because they’ll be treated as juveniles and not do hard time is, in your opinion, a good thing.


53 posted on 05/25/2016 1:19:53 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Rashputin

Well if you live in an area where your “13 and 14” year olds are packing....you need to move. We regard 13 and 14 year olds around here as children, they are treated as such.....Look at the demographics of Maine (where I reside)...that will fill in the blanks for ya....also I open carry here, it is legal....so cry me a river about the fatherless 13 and 14 year olds...they won’t last long...not worth the worry to me. Again I need not ask permission for a right...end of story.


54 posted on 05/25/2016 2:29:51 PM PDT by mythenjoseph (Separation of powers)
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