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To: FenwickBabbitt

There is nothing in what you quoted that even hints slightly at National Socialism, much less proves it
Are you serious? Combination of nationalism with socialism is not national socialism? That is exactly how Goering defined national socialism.

Since you just openly defended socialism, it is easy to discern just who is the “social justice warrior” between the two of us, and it surely is not I.

This is exactly the same as Donald Trump’s “America First” message
No it is not. Trump’s main slogan is “Make America Great Again”. That is not equivalent to anything jingoistic, nor does it speak to anything related to socialism. Since the FPÖ is a proponent of the “two-speed” version of the EU, and Trump to my knowledge has not advocated for anything like the so-called North American Union and its associated “Amero” currency in imitation of the Euro, the differences between them are like night and day.

Perhaps you simply do not understand that “Heimat” just means “homeland” in German, you know like our “Department of Homeland Security.” Do you consider that to be our Nazi cabinet department? Or is it preserving “national identity” that you hate so much? …
Nobody here likes the DHS. Especially due to it being an unconstitutional executive branch department. If that is what you’re equating “Heimat” to (which does not translate as “homeland” and is not originally a national-socialist concept, but the national socialists introduced a corrupt form of it in an attempt to replace the original meaning), then you are not making the concept itself look as if it has any redeeming qualities. And are you seriously trying to say that the DHS exists to preserve US national identity??

Sorry, but the FPÖ is who hates national identity. The national socialists merely exploit patriotism in order to advance socialism, which the FPÖ is clearly an open proponent of. This is their historic modus operandi.
20 posted on 05/22/2016 9:49:35 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Sorry, but having something of a social welfare safety net is not socialism, unless you are really arguing the United States today is a full-fledged socialist nation. Are you planning on sending back your Social Security check (if or when you get it)? The point of that party, as of Geert Wilder’s in the Netherlands, is that these sort of programs that people have come to rely on to survive will collapse under the weight of the new migrant floods.

The fact of the matter is, regardless of its negatives, the FPÖ is clearly and undeniably more conservative than most European parties. They are for smaller government and lower taxes. Why don’t you list all the mainstream European parties that actually have a chance at winning that advocate the repeal of the social safety nets their countries already have? It is political suicide for a party to do that regardless of where it stands on the political spectrum. That doesn’t make all the political parties in Europe “socialist,” unless you are using a very broad definition. But even if they were, shouldn’t we support the more small government, free enterprise, and anti-Islamist of the “socialist” parties?

The party’s current presidential candidate Hofer’s slogan is “putting Austria first.” How extraordinarily different from Trump’s so much less jingoistic “America First” saying (one might almost think Hofer was trying to copy Trump). No, Trump isn’t socialist, and neither is the FPÖ—at least not by European standards at any rate. They want to preserve certain government protections, but if you haven’t noticed Trump has said the same thing about Social Security and Medicare. That doesn’t make him a socialist either.

The party is trying to make the best of the situation they already have with the EU and the Euro to try to protect their people’s financial interests. Once more, the party is one of least pro-EU parties in Austria. Try thinking of things in context.

Deiner meinung nach, was denn ist die Definition von “Heimat”? “Homeland” is a common translation, and by the way, it’s still used in Austria among regular people, just like “Mother Russia” is used in Russia without thoughts of Stalin. (Your comments about the DHS are pretty off topic. My point was we use a translation of that word too officially, just like the Austrians do. That doesn’t make the DHS “Nazi” because it uses an arguably nationalistic/patriotic term.)

We still have a chance to save Western Civilization. I find it sad that there are still so many people who throw about the label of Nazi so easily (and, yes, they are usually on the left) against anyone who wants to save their nation and put their people first. I understand why you find the FPÖ’s past and at least one of its members to be troubling, but it’s current policies are what matters (within context and without distortion). The alternative here are the Greens, far more to the left than even our Greens, who will flood little Austria with “refugees” until it is drowning in them. And to answer your first question: no, most combinations of nationalism and socialism (like the truly left-wing nationalist parties in Scotland, Catalonia, and Denmark) have nothing to do with Nazis. And by the way, “anti-Zionist” also doesn’t automatically equal Nazi either under any rational definition (or many, many Nazi-hating lefties would really be actual Nazis too, which is comical), and I say that as a strong supporter of Israel.

“Sorry, but the FPÖ is who hates national identity.”

LOL. You really do have a “world-turned-upside-down” view of things.


22 posted on 05/22/2016 10:51:38 AM PDT by FenwickBabbitt
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