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Does Donald Trump represent a step forward for climate change action?
UK Guardian ^ | May 16, 2016 | by Kate Aronoff

Posted on 05/17/2016 4:53:21 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Donald Trump will have a climate plan and it will be ugly. For now, the Republican frontrunner is pedaling the kind of denialism his party loves, having called global warming everything from a "hoax" to a "con job" to a Chinese plot. But an interview with his energy adviser hinted that Trump might endeavor to Make Atmospheric Carbon Levels Great Again.

"My advice would be, while I'm a skeptic as well", Trump energy honcho Kevin Cramer [said], "he is a product of political populism, and political populism believes that there needs [to be] some addressing of climate change".

Cramer has not had a climate epiphany. He probably just looked at the data.

Trump may well be the first Republican presidential hopeful in history to make a green leap for votes. Bipartisan support for climate action should be celebrated. Agreeing on the problem, though, is not the same as agreeing on a solution. Defining "climate action" can't be left to either Trump, the Republicans or the reckless economic dogma that birthed this crisis in the first place.

America needs a climate plan as concerned with keeping carbon out of the atmosphere as it is with putting food on the table, responding earnestly to the economic pain Trump is whipping up into racial animus.

Capitalism has never been great, for the planet or most people. It's time for an economy that is.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agw; anticapitalism; carbon; carbontax; climategate; globaltax; globalwarming; hoax; populism; socialism; trump

1 posted on 05/17/2016 4:53:21 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If it’s in the Guardian, it is first grade horse dung pitchforked in our faces by socialist pigs.


2 posted on 05/17/2016 5:00:31 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You’d think Britanrac had enough worries with Muslim refugees and governors without worrying about “global warming” and American politics.


3 posted on 05/17/2016 5:01:44 AM PDT by FrankR (You're only enslaved to the extent of the charity that you receive!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My Prediction, if you want a real solution to carbon emissions, License Mass Production of Micro Nuke reactors and stick millions of them coast to coast.

It is the only practical solution and it will make the greenies heads explode.


4 posted on 05/17/2016 5:02:35 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: dila813

“It is the only practical solution and it will make the greenies heads explode.”

We can’t have that. Do realize the contamination from the fecal material substituting for brains?


5 posted on 05/17/2016 5:19:05 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf

We could stop hydro dams at the same time and dedicate water to farming.


6 posted on 05/17/2016 5:21:35 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

7 posted on 05/17/2016 5:29:50 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (It's them or us.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“he is a product of political populism, and political populism believes that there needs [to be] some addressing of climate change”.

That’s a lie.


8 posted on 05/17/2016 5:57:28 AM PDT by Slambat (Self-censoring in support of The Great Trump)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

In November 2009, an anonymous whistleblower put over 1000 emails comprising to and from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) on an obscure Russian website. They were subsequently rapidly disseminated around the world.

These emails show a tightly knit cabal of scientists adjusting temperature data to conform to their political agenda; exerting pressure to censor publications going into the “peer reviewed” literature (usually with complete success); bullying journalists with threats of excommunication so that what was published in the mainstream media was in accordance with the global warming agenda; and using the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as the primary vehicle for their political ambitions.

To work through these emails, in order to discover what was going on, is a major undertaking. John Costella has provided us with an edited and annotated account of the emails which enables the lay person, in a relatively short time, to understand what was going on and how it was done.

This PDF version of the published book will provide access to everyone who is concerned with this great debate. It is available here.

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/climategate-emails.pdf


9 posted on 05/17/2016 6:20:00 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: dila813

You do know that hydro dams discharge water that can be then used for farming?


10 posted on 05/17/2016 8:25:40 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Like Trump, I’m fine with the goal of clean air and preventing pollution (though I think laissez-faire markets will render the best solutions, not govt policy). But the climate change hokum needs to stop.


11 posted on 05/17/2016 2:07:40 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty
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To: Balding_Eagle

Ok, so you let water out from the dam to generate electricity that you then have to use to pump the water back behind the dam for irrigation, I get it....like a perpetual motion machine.


12 posted on 05/17/2016 8:30:32 PM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: dila813

I believe the farmland is down below the hydro dams.


13 posted on 05/18/2016 5:51:20 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Water in the River has to be pumped to the farmland, if the water was above the farmland, it would be swampland not farmland.


14 posted on 05/18/2016 5:53:35 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Think of it this way, gravity is the most efficient way to move millions of acre feet of water, you want this as high as possible so you don’t have to pump it.

Hydro Dams work on the same theory, gravity. The potential energy stored up behind dams.

How you use that energy matters, the most efficient way is to use it to move the water itself.


15 posted on 05/18/2016 5:56:29 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: dila813

Well, where I live the water comes from thousands of feet above me.


16 posted on 05/18/2016 6:19:50 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

More eco stupidity.

I want CO2 declared a ‘vita-gas’, a gas necessary for life on earth (same as Oxygen) and the removal of any penalties for generating it. Currently it is classified as a ‘pollutant’ which is idiotic.

Fortunately the levels of CO2 have been rising a little bit (nothing to do with us, though) and vegetation in the earth has been recovering, plant yields have been increasing.


17 posted on 05/18/2016 12:46:01 PM PDT by Toughluck_freeper
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To: dila813

In Most of the places with limited water, they need massive reserves of water, this includes water coming over mountain ranges.


18 posted on 05/18/2016 5:43:46 PM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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