Posted on 05/16/2016 7:27:10 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
No, the daily differences in “reported” Antarctic sea ice are much too large for them to be correct. See above for more detailed info.
The El Nino is too far away from the Antarctic Ocean to melt any sea ice. In a few months, the currents will move warmer water around, but the effect is slower and smaller than yo seem to think. It IS there, just smaller than these erroneous values recently.
True. I cannot think of any rational reason for the Arctic data to be tracking accurately, while the Antarctic data is so far irregular.
Could be the difference in latitudes of the two sea ice areas.
But the Arctic reports seems to be behaving themselves.
In our current situation we need to assume that every report from a US government agency is falsified. We obviously have one of the most corrupt governments in our history. About 2/3 of the population realizes that now. About 2-3 weeks ago, Europe reported massive crop failures due to 50 year record freezes. Will be a bad year for French wine. Serbia just had snow a couple of days ago wiping out 70 % of some of their crops. One must assume that the past week in the US will produce similar crop failures. Snow in Michigan a couple days ago. First time on that date in close to 50 years.
El Nino affects the Antarctic ice in two ways. Through surface water warmth and also the increased atmospheric density due to greater evaporation. So the two combined, higher surface temps and thicker atmosphere. Just a guess.
Some Summers are cooler and some Winters are warmer - the globe is a fairly closed homeostatic entity and more heat somewhere is offset by less heat elsewhere....
For the last two or three years.. it has been cold later in the spring. Snowed in several eastern areas this weekend. I have worn sweatshirts in cool July evenings for at least three years. There was record late ice in one of the great Lakes last year.iirc. I noticed years,ago, a lot of the local Temps were recorded far higher than my outdoor thermometers read. In 2000, I wore shorts in September, sweatshirts these days.
Okay, I can do that.
One of the first thing I learned as a young weather student was when to throw out data. If the data doesn't make sense...and can't be explained...chances are it is bad data...and I would say that is what is going on here. Look for it to be corrected in time. You don't get spikes like that (of that size)...especially if other data (current temps over the poles) doesn't support it.
Thank you, FINALLY, at post 31, you told us what the “note in red” said. SHEESH!
Everyone has missed the boat: the Earth has broken out of orbit and we’re headed directly into the sun. Get out the SPF 30.
True.
But. Look at the currents. Cold water from the poles flows south along the Alaska-Canadian-US coast south towards the tropics, turns west due to the Coriollis effect, then crosses the tropics and heats, turns north and becomes the Japanese current to hit Alaska and repeat the cycle. Flow is slow - < 1-2 knots. Steady. But slow.
In the south, same thing happens : flows north off of Chile, Peru. Turns west and then heads west then south past OZ and NZ, curves back beside Antarctica, then north again.
El Nino - and we are in last part of a strong one - is characterized by warmer waters in the east Pacific off of Peru near Christmas. That warmer water needs to cross the Pacific, flow past Australia, flow past and under the Antarctic sea ice to melt MORE of it than normal, then flow back north to be re-warmed.
Hasn’t been enough time yet for that cycle since its max in December-January. Only the early waters would have reached the Antarctic, if even that. Further, the low point of the September- March low Antarctic sea ice has long passed, and the sea ice was expanding until this sensor-program failure.
I can be convinced of your idea. But show me the math and the measurements of warmer surface water around Antarctica.
Earths magnetic poles have flipped.
Could be the North has less cow farts than the south?
Other way around. Much, much less animals (and cow f*rt generating grassland!) in the southern hemisphere.
Heck, at Antarctic sea ice maximum, the land ice + sea ice around Antarctica is larger than ALL of the other land areas south of the Equator. Put together.
The nation’s weather satellite program over the course of a year suffered 10 data security incidents, including unauthorized access and probes by adversaries, according to a congressional auditor.
The $11.3 billion Joint Polar Satellite System is set to launch the program’s first next-gen spacecraft, the JPSS-1, in March 2017.
But the ground stations that handle satellite communications and data processing “remain at high risk of compromise,” David Powner, the Government Accountability Office’s director of IT management issues, said in a new report.
The satellite program, which is run by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, feeds prediction models and aids weather forecasters on the ground.
“NOAA has experienced several recent information security incidents regarding unauthorized access to Web servers and computers,” Powner said in the audit, released Tuesday. The six episodes now considered closed matters “involved hostile probes, improper usage, unauthorized access, password sharing, and other IT-related security concerns.”
Belated reply: I’m almost certain that the explanatory message wasn’t there the previous day, when I first saw the weird data, because I looked for such a message and didn’t see one. I didn’t look the second day because the site was still showing the (updated) weird data, and it didn’t occur to me that they’d continue to post bad data once a problem had been noticed. Still, it seemed likely that the data was messed up.
Sea water is salty, however, sea ice is much less so. Slow freezing is a typical desalinization method.
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