Posted on 05/10/2016 7:30:51 AM PDT by sonrise57
I never noticed the Southern Baptists getting ‘nutty.’ Can you clarify?
Tithing Southern Baptists are the source of income for amateur politician Russell Moore, who doubtless considers himself a superior Christian than Trump.
Maybe he is a false prophet. Maybe he isn’t. We’ll be watching.
Neither of the candidates are Christians. The issues this time around are going to be primarily economic and foreign policy. Social issues are going to be pushed to the back burner although I think that Trump may give us a better selection of Supreme Court justices than Hillary. Not so much because of Trump himself but rather because of the people who have his ear.
“Trump should stick to the things he knows something about.”
It would be wise to take your own advice.
Maybe I'm too mule-headed to get along in a church. I've had a better relationship with God than I did before.
Just think about the Christians in the Middle East and Europe and that we may be next. The US is not immune to what is going on. Trump’s job is to worry about the Kingdom of the Left. Otherwise the Kingdom of the Right might have to go underground.
Those are your priorities
In an appearance on CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” the head of the public-policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention said a key tenant of conservatism “is that character matters” and that “virtue has an important role to play.”
“What we have in the Donald Trump phenomenum … is an embrace of the very kind of moral and cultural decadence that conservatives have been saying for a long time is the problem,” he said.
Yet those same conservatives, he added, “now are not willing to say anything when we have this reality television moral sewage coming through all over our culture.”
“And conservatives who previously said we have too much awful cultural rot on television now want to put it on C-span for the next four years …with either [Trump or Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton]. That isn't what we believe in.”
Moore said he believes those most perplexed by this year's race are evangelicals under 50 who believe they “cannot in good conscience vote for either candidate.”
“Some conservative evangelicals will vote for Trump,” Moore conceded. “Many others simply won't vote, or find a third party candidate or write in someone.”
He said these disappointed voters “believe there is something more than politics: a good conscience.”
He did not say a word about the dishonesty and attack on Christians by the Washington establishment. Evangelicals are almost never given air time on Face The Nation. Moore used a rare opportunity to regurgitate the Democrat attacks against Trump and his supporters. He also said that those who supported a third party are morally superior.
This is not what a true man of faith would say. This is a politician. This is not a man guided by faith.
OK, so make your case that other than Trump’s statements about abortion (which some of us take as pandering) and Merry Christmas, on cultural issues Evangelical care about, he is much different than Clinton policy-wise. Issues such as Gay Marriage, Religous Liberty, creating economic conditions that encourage flourishing familes for all classes and races, freedom from contributing to government support of behaviors we have sincerly held religious beliefs against, freedom of religion and assembly, welcoming faith back into the public square, compassioante solutions to poverty and immigration issues (the fasted growing congregations among evangelicals are now ethnic congregations). I know the fight is over, now it is getting the team off the bench, so I am sincerly asking for help in how to think about these things, especially when leading lights like Moore are so anti-Trump.
FYI....Moore was just fired for being drunk and rude. He is no longer part of that organization.
Also here is an example of his great ethical thinking:
“The center of gravity for both orthodoxy and evangelism is not among Anglo suburban evangelicals but among African Anglicans and Asian Calvinists and Latin American Pentecostals. The vital core of American evangelicalism today can be found in churches that are multiethnic and increasingly dominated by immigrant communities.
The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin. American evangelicals often use the language of “revival” — a word that is sometimes co-opted by politicians to mean a resurgence of a politically useful but watered-down civil religion. A congregation that ignores the global church can deprive itself of revival by overlooking those places where the Spirit is working.”
OK—this is helpful.
I'm over hand wringing pastors fretting themselves into irrelevance. I was raised on the stories of Christian heroes from Alfred the Great, to Patton. Clashes of good vs evil like Lepanto or Trafalgar. And now what do we learn here? Some snowflake man of the cloth who won't vote Trump because 'he was told there'd be no cameras'? Pathetic. Contemptible. I only wish Patton was here now to slap the cowardice out of this evangelical, the way he did with that shellshock case.
We hear this from Trumps supporters ad nauseum but their constant trashing of anyone who disagrees with them reveals they don't believe the truth in their last sentence.
Dana Loesch (radio commentator and Cruz supporter) has said the people who echo this need to give non-Trump supporters better reasons to vote for Trump rather than simply stay at home the way evangelicals did with Romney.
For now the "us or Hillary" comeback is simply not enough to get others into the fold. Maybe by November, they'll get there but they aren't there now.
Leading a party means giving folks reasons to vote for your candidate, not simply reasons not to vote for your opponent. Otherwise, you'll have a large group of people who didn't vote for either.
Gotta be with mother whose maiden name is McCleod.
This jerk of a \n evangelical just got booted for being drunk and disorderly at a Nashville bar.
Here are some of this idiot’s thoughts:
“The center of gravity for both orthodoxy and evangelism is not among Anglo suburban evangelicals but among African Anglicans and Asian Calvinists and Latin American Pentecostals. The vital core of American evangelicalism today can be found in churches that are multiethnic and increasingly dominated by immigrant communities.
The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin. American evangelicals often use the language of “revival” — a word that is sometimes co-opted by politicians to mean a resurgence of a politically useful but watered-down civil religion. A congregation that ignores the global church can deprive itself of revival by overlooking those places where the Spirit is working.”
He’s attacked the faith of many of his political opponents as if his is better ..
What absolute nonsense.’
I agree.
This article is more drivel by self anointed pseudo Christians and fake conservatives.
Really!
TWB
See post 35
Good point.
We wake up to a new day and see there’s a new person The Donald says we need to hate.
Just sit it out.
You can always complain later about Clinton and how she is shutting down religious liberty. She has said as much.
Makes for a good sermon.
If Clinton gets to achieve her goals of suppressing Christianity because of the apathy or collaboration of the Christian clergy. Well you reap what you sow.
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