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Obama Admin Works to Keep Guns From Many on Social Security Disability
freebeacon ^ | Stephen Gutowski

Posted on 05/09/2016 8:08:09 AM PDT by MarvinStinson

The Social Security Administration has announced the details of a new rule that would bar many receiving federal disability payments from owning firearms.

The proposed rule is part of President Obama’s push to tighten gun laws while bypassing Congress. News of the plan to add some Social Security recipients to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, was first uncovered by the Los Angeles Times last summer and has faced fierce opposition from gun rights groups ever since.

President Obama announced in January that he was officially ordering the Social Security Administration to start the process for implementing the rule.

The rule would require the agency to report recipients with a representative payee who meet certain criteria to the NICS, thus keeping them from being able to legally purchase or posses a firearm. Currently there are millions of recipients who have their finances managed by a representative payee, but most of them will not be reported to NICS under the proposed rule.

That represents a significant retreat from the policy that was originally floated. It was first reported that the rule would mirror one implemented at the Veterans Administration, which affects all veterans with a representative payee.

Though Social Security’s rule limits the scope of those banned from owning firearms compared to the VA it would still potentially target a larger group of people. Tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans could be affected.

“We recognize that there is no perfect fit between: (1) Our adjudication regarding a claimant’s entitlement to benefits and determination of whether to designate a representative payee; and (2) the regulatory definition of an individual who is subject to the Federal mental health prohibitor,” the proposal reads. “Considering the relevant regulatory factors, discussed above, however, we believe that there is a reasonable and appropriate fit between the criteria we use to decide whether some of our beneficiaries are disabled and require a representative payee and the Federal mental health prohibitor.”

The Social Security administration lays out five specific criteria for recipients they plan to add to NICS. Those the agency plans to target must have filed a disability claim, been determined to be disabled because of a mental impairment, been officially diagnosed as mentally impaired, between the ages of 18 and 65, and have been assigned a representative payee because they were found by Social Security to be incapable of managing their benefit payments.

The rule also includes a procedure for recipients to challenge the agency’s determination that they should be added to NICS.

The rule does not require that a recipient be determined to be a threat to themselves or others before being barred from gun ownership. That’s a major sticking point for gun rights advocates.

“The Social Security Administration’s proposal doesn’t require an individual to be adjudicated mentally defective or to pose a risk to himself or others,” Lars Dalesiede, a NRA spokesman, said. “Instead they are set to strip away your constitutional rights just because you meet a set of criteria established by a group of faceless bureaucrats you’ll never meet. That puts thousands of Americans in the terrible position of choosing whether to pay their bills or give up their constitutional rights.”

The group called the president’s push for the new rule “embarrassing and shameful.”

The rule will undergo a public comment period in which Americans can share their opinion with the Social Security Administration for the next 60 days.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; socialsecurity; ssa; ssi
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1 posted on 05/09/2016 8:08:09 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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2 posted on 05/09/2016 8:09:11 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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Slime balls!


3 posted on 05/09/2016 8:10:00 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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News of the plan to add some Social Security recipients to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS,

Congratulations to gun owners with disabilities.

With zero due process, you have just been made a criminal by the regime.

4 posted on 05/09/2016 8:10:46 AM PDT by SIDENET
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To: MarvinStinson

Intereting world view. Felons need to be able to vote and must be able to rent any apartment, but a disabled person unable to vote is a criminal. How did we let this douchebag anywhere near the White House? What an American tragedy.


5 posted on 05/09/2016 8:12:27 AM PDT by ilgipper
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Please, it’s early, I’m nor ready to look a pictures of monkeys this early!


6 posted on 05/09/2016 8:12:48 AM PDT by vette6387
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I apologize.


7 posted on 05/09/2016 8:14:29 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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Well worth repeating:

ilgipper wrote:

Felons need to be able to vote and must be able to rent any apartment, but a disabled person unable to vote is a criminal."

8 posted on 05/09/2016 8:15:47 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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Would not go after gang bangers on welfare, nahhh


9 posted on 05/09/2016 8:17:32 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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The treacherous evil of Traitorobama and his regime is only a warm-up for Satan’s daughter.


10 posted on 05/09/2016 8:20:17 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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Seems reasonable to me. I don’t think we’re talking about bad backs or high blood pressure here.

If you claim that you’re too crazy to work and therefore need a government check, then I think it’s sensible to limit your access to firearms.

Even Scalia explained that the 2nd amendment isn’t an absolute right and is subject to reasonable restrictions.


11 posted on 05/09/2016 8:20:58 AM PDT by JhawkAtty
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The elderly and disabled are among the MOST vulnerable to predators in our society.
One can certainly make the case they crucially need a reliable means of protection.


12 posted on 05/09/2016 8:22:05 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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13 posted on 05/09/2016 8:26:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Islam is Islam. Democracy is the train we ride to our ultimate victory. (Recep Erdogan))
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You are a convicted criminal because of your disability and must report to the guillotines next.

Stupid?

Mighty slippery slope once ONE SET of rights being taken away can be reasoned to exist. Too sick to vote? Too sick to speak publicly?


14 posted on 05/09/2016 8:31:16 AM PDT by USCG SimTech
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To: MarvinStinson

If you had a medical condition that did not affect your medical capacity would you trust an anti-gun federal bureaucrat to judge you fairly?

Would you trust the federal government to not misuse the law to restrict your gun ownership?

Why would anyone trust the federal government, especially this administration, to apply any rule, order or law as it was originally written and intended?

This is the same government that placed veterans on a potential terrorist watch list.

When have they ever governed within the guidelines, intent and spirit of the law?


15 posted on 05/09/2016 8:51:55 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Islam is Islam. Democracy is the train we ride to our ultimate victory. (Recep Erdogan))
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How big is the problem of elderly people going out and shooting someone, as opposed to other demographics?

16 posted on 05/09/2016 8:54:09 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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And this is why you don’t let government own you. What a POS Obama is.


17 posted on 05/09/2016 9:16:04 AM PDT by MarMema (`)
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You take money from the devil. The devil makes the rules. Majority on SSDI don’t really need to be on it.


18 posted on 05/09/2016 9:19:02 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: JhawkAtty
2nd amendment isn’t an absolute right and is subject to reasonable restrictions.

Hmmmm, seems to me, "shall not be infringed" is pretty damned clear.

19 posted on 05/09/2016 9:21:16 AM PDT by dware (I don't care what bathroom they use, as long as it's in the nuthouse, where they belong)
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To: MarvinStinson

In todays america this islamist piece of pig sh1t gets away with it.


20 posted on 05/09/2016 9:31:42 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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