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To: nathanbedford
Even though the question is essentially academic at this point (since Ted Cruz will not garner the nomination under any circumstances), for the sake of debate, I ask you to please explain to us how a mathematically eliminated Ted Cruz gets the nomination at a contested GOP convention, having arrived with less than 2/3 of the needed delegates, in such a way that doesn't hopelessly splinter the party and guarantee a Hillary voctory in November. What say you?

Have you seen Cruz's vote totals? Donald Trump has received over 2.4 million more votes than Ted Cruz, and that gap is only going to widen. What say you?

Furthermore, Ted Cruz has performed abysmally in ever single swing state. I posit that he is not a viable national candidate. What say you?

Oh, and as a final request, please try to limit your comments to the questions I posed, rather than lapsing into your typical ad hominem attacks against Donald Trump.

1,277 posted on 04/21/2016 11:14:46 AM PDT by sargon (No king but Christ!)
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To: sargon
You ask, what say I about the prospect of a splintered party in the event of a Ted Cruz nomination? I reply that if Ted Cruz goes into the convention with as few as two thirds of the delegates but emerges, like Abraham Lincoln did, with the nomination it demonstrates how much Donald Trump is viscerally detested by nonestablishment grassroot conservatives in the Republican Party and it is an indictment of the kind of campaign that Donald Trump has conducted. If the party under those circumstances is splintered, Donald Trump did it.

Such an event, so long as the present rules are maintained and the process remains limited to Trump or Cruz, will not represent a coup against the voters by the Republican establishment but the upwelling of sentiment by conservative grassroots activists. It is perfectly understandable that conservative grassroots activists will turn to the only conservative available, Ted Cruz.

When Ted Cruz contests within the rules for the nomination he is accused of splintering the party. Yet it is Donald Trump who was threatened to bolt the party not Ted Cruz. I ask you, will you support Ted Cruz if he emerges from the convention as the nominee? Why is the refusal of Trump supporters to come to the aid of the party if their man cannot win the delegates legitimate, but the desires of Cruz supporters to advance their own man illegitimate? As you know, I am pledged to support Trump if nominated and I will do so. Will you support Cruz if he is nominated?

It is misleading to extrapolate data from primaries onto the general electorate. For example, Donald Trump won big in New York which advances him toward the nomination but does not advance him 1 mm toward victory in the general election because the Democrats, having swamped Republicans in New York State better than two to one, will carry New York despite the fantasies spun by Donald Trump. Neither Trump, Kasich nor Cruz will carry New York.

As to the swing states, extrapolation is misleading. How did Romney do in the swing states after carrying them in the primaries? Donald Trump has won many of the swing states with bare pluralities. The majority of Republicans voted for other candidates. The job of Ted Cruz will be to consolidate those Republican voters, including Trump supporters who are not sore heads. The model for the Cruz campaign is not Romney but Reagan. In other words, the Cruz campaign will either succeed or fail on his ability to sell a conservative message as did Reagan. Trump is selling Trump and that is palatable to a limited demographic and repugnant to a huge portion of the electorate. As a conservative, I believe a conservative message can prevail.

I believe I have answered your questions responsibly, although no doubt unsatisfactorily. Despite your injunctions, I would like to make this remark about the character of Donald Trump: There is more to choosing a nominee for President of the United States of America than the likelihood of winning, as important as that might be. There is the question of the man's character. You and I have wrangled over the issue of Donald Trump's character for a long time and I respect you are skills in defending your guy. As you know, I am convinced that Trump is unworthy of the office because of his grotesque failings of character as demonstrated by his biography. We are entitled to consider whether a man is morally fit for the office and it is my opinion that Donald Trump is the third worst candidate for that office from the perspective of character.


1,289 posted on 04/21/2016 12:05:40 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: sargon

Cruz got more votes in Wisconsin than Trump got in NY
Trump 524,932 Cruz 531,129 hee hee look it up!!!!!


1,300 posted on 04/21/2016 1:08:57 PM PDT by RightLady (God Bless the USA)
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