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To: patlin

“Congress ONLY has authority to make citizens through the process of naturalization. “

Says who?

That’s only your fantasy.

Your crusade hangs on that fantasy.

You just made that up out of the clear blue sky.

For 100 years before the American revolution, the British parliament was using the power of naturalization to define who is a “natural born subject.”

That is the example that the framers followed:

Congress has the power to define “natural born citizen” by statute just as the UK parliament had been doing for at least 100 years before then.


Natural born are defined by “nature” hence the term “natural”.

Correct: One can be a NATURAL BORN son or an ADOPTED son by an artificial legal process.

If one is born NATURALLY a citizen, they are a natural born citizen.

If one is an ARTIFICIAL citizen — by a legal process of naturalization — they are a non-natural citizen because they went through a naturalization process.

BTW naturalization takes 5-10 years.

Don’t repeat the utter bullshit that one can be “naturalized at birth” which is complete horse manure.

It takes 5-10 years to be naturalized, including taking the oath of citizenship and being sworn in by a judge.


667 posted on 04/12/2016 5:28:26 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: Moseley
“Congress ONLY has authority to make citizens through the process of naturalization. “

Says who?

It's called the Constitution of the United States. In it you will find no clause giving authority to make as citizens, children of citizen fathers.

Library of Congress, Immigration & Naturalization(1840-1950)

“Married women and children under the age of twenty-one derived citizenship from their husband or father respectively. Children of unsuccessful applicants could apply for citizenship in their own right, at the age of twenty-one.”

669 posted on 04/12/2016 6:20:15 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledgee chosen to participate inthat is - 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Moseley

The logical fallacies of your position are endless. Winston Churchill was born in Great Britain to MP Lord Randolph Churchill and a natural born US citizen mother, Jennie Jerome. After she married Randolph, She took up residence in Great Britain, where prior to the passage of the Independent Woman’s Nationality Act, she was unable to pass on US citizenship to her child.

Even though Winston Churchill was born under the auspices of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1854, I suspect that you would maintain that had that Act been worded as the Immigration Act of 1952 was (which governed Cruz) the framers would have been just fine with the former PRIME MINISTER of GREAT BRITAIN being elected POTUS. There was a small faction in the US advocating for this after he lost the postwar PM election. (BTW, he probably would have made a good president, certainly better than another Brit subject at birth, Barack Obama) They would be spinning in their graves so fast at such a notion that they would burst to the surface.


671 posted on 04/12/2016 7:01:54 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: Moseley

BTW naturalization takes 5-10 years.

Don’t repeat the utter bullshit that one can be “naturalized at birth” which is complete horse manure.

It takes 5-10 years to be naturalized, including taking the oath of citizenship and being sworn in by a judge.


You are a little confused concerning the naturalization process.

I was adopted by an American military family stationed in Germany, upon US entry at Boston, a 3 minute hearing was conducted in chambers where the judge signed the naturalization documents...I was an infant, no oath.


691 posted on 04/12/2016 7:51:52 AM PDT by AFret.
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