Posted on 04/10/2016 8:21:55 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
“You know Citizenship is verified by your birth certificate “
A birth certificate is ONE WAY to prove citizenship.
A birth certificate is evidence of citizenship.
Ted Cruz has a birth certificate showing that his mother was a US citizen at his birth — which makes him a US citizen at birth under 14 USC 1401(g).
Imagine, as I keep posting, survivalists go up into the mountains and live off the land. They have a child. 40 years later their 35 year old son comes down from the hills and decides to run for president.
Is he a natural born citizen? Absolutely.
Does he have a birth certificate? No.
No other loyalties was the inception of the term “natural born citizen.” Read John Jay’s letter! John Jay was to become the FIRST CHIEF JUSTICE of the Supreme Court. George Washington passed on Jay’s suggestion to the Framers of the Constitution.
John Jay wrote a letter to General Washington, the President of the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention ...
“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a
natural born Citizen.”
General Washington handed the suggestion to the framers and the rest is history. As we are talking original intent, no “weight of legal and historical authority” is required to get this far. This is about “foreigners”.
Google is your friend, https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ted+cruz+sealed+records
What idiots.
NOTICE what they quote:
A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The childs parents
SHOULD
contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen. If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240, in the childs name.
SHOULD — but don’t have to.
” A natural born citizen is one born of both parents citizens AND born on the soil of the U.S. A Natural born citizen can be no other citizen by birth but American.”
Where is that in the Constitution?
The framers put it so they were ‘naturalized’ citizens, so when their children were born they would be, ‘Natural Born Citizens’, the framers were not born here...they came from England...
The 14th amendment was to give the slaves, after their freedom, ‘naturalized’ citizens so their children born here could be ‘Natural Born Citizens’....born on American Soil...
Also, when a man marries a woman, the woman takes the last name of the man, whether she uses it or not, she still is Mrs. So and So....the children from that marriage takes on the name of the Father, so in order for Cruz to be Cruz, his father would have had to be born on American Soil, to give him that right, it does not come from the mother, it passes from the father...
Cruz is saying he got his citizenship from his mother, then why isn't his last name Darrugh or Wilson? Why is it Cruz? See how that works...he's lying...
“The 14th amendment was to give the slaves, after their freedom, naturalized citizens so their children born here could be Natural Born Citizens....born on American Soil...”
It does not matter WHY something was put in the Constitution.
The only thing that counts is what the Constitution SAYS.
Why doesn’t count.
Why means nothing.
“Cruz is saying he got his citizenship from his mother, then why isn’t his last name Darrugh or Wilson? Why is it Cruz? See how that works...”
No, that’s not how it works.
Parenthood and citizenship are not the same thing.
“Cruz and his surrogates attacked Trumps wife first, Trump truth.”
Another lie.
I have read it all, going back to 2014.
“You are out to liberalville. There is NO authority given to Congress or any court to give or take natural born US citizenship. NONE:”
Yes there is.
Whenever a term is not defined, it is a delegation to Congress to define the term.
Same thing happens when Congress writes statutes. It is clearly the power of the executive branch agency to define unclear terms or clear up uncertainty in the statute.
Because the Constitution does not define the term “natural born citizen” it is the Congress’ power AND DUTY to define the term.
Congress has done so since 1790.
Congress has the power to define who is a natural born citizen.
You cannot accept the fact that natural born citizen is NOT defined in the Constitution.
“So are you. You thought you would raise $3000 on a fundraising website and all you got was $50. “
No I didn’t think or expect I would raise anything.
As I stated there, I said I cannot take the time away from other work to do a brief UNLESS the money I would lose is compensated.
So, I wasn’t going to spend any time on it unless some donors wanted to step up.
You really can’t keep your eye on the ball, right?
“Read John Jays letter! John Jay was to become the FIRST CHIEF JUSTICE of the Supreme Court. George Washington passed on Jays suggestion to the Framers of the Constitution.”
And where did John Jay DEFINE who is a “natural born citizen?”
Answer: He did not.
In response to John Jay’s letter, the Constitutional Convention required that a president must have lived in the United States for at least 14 years (out of 35 years minimum to be President).
How do you figure that?
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“You have NO right to mess with original intent. GET over yourself. “
The original intent of the Constitutional Convention tracks the two dominant influences on the founders:
1) THE BIBLE
2) Precedent from British common law.
1) THE BIBLE: Citizenship follows the parents, not the place of birth.
Children born in Egypt to Israelite parents were ISRAELITES — not Egyptians.
Children born in Babylon, Assyria, Rome, etc. to Israelite parents were ISRAELITES.
The overwhelmingly dominant influence on the American Founding makes the place of birth irrelevant and the parents of the child EVERYTHING in deciding citizenship.
2) English common law. As much as 100 years before the founding of America, the British parliament was using the power of naturalization to define who is a natural born subject, and specifying that children born in foreign lands to British subjects are natural born subjects of the UK
The Framers knew darn well what 'natural born' meant... and so do I. What you are ignoring is the history of how the Framers came up with the requirement of 'natural born'. They used it specifically as required qualification to hold the office of president. They NEVER allow any authority to redefine its original meaning.
Trump is the one who forced the Obama crew to produce a born in the USA birth certificate for Obama... Nobody is ever going to produce a born in the USA birth certificate for Ted Cruz.
Ah what you are attempting to do is to 're-define' the meaning of 'natural born'.
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