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To: JayGalt

I still don’t think that a three year old picked up much foreign influence in Canada compared to 42 years worth of U.S. influence.


461 posted on 04/10/2016 1:45:54 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus; Just mythoughts; BlackElk; Beautiful_Gracious_Skies; House Atreides; taxcontrol; ..
Neither do I. One of the difficult things about the Immigration laws is that they transfer the emphasis from the individual and instead create a class or classes of individuals and treat them as a group.

My problem with Ted Cruz re citizenship is not so much Ted Cruz, it is the increased risk to the US from allowing the class of people born abroad to a citizen parent into the Presidency.

If we remove the need for two citizen parents and birth on US soil then a whole host of situations arise with the possibility of Manchurian candidates. There is no mechanism to vet them for foreign influence. Even with the NBC there is no guarantee that the President will be loyal to the country's interests and by adding a parent who is not an American citizen and/or significant time abroad the risk of disloyalty grows.

The Founders had a very clear example before them of the dangers of allowing men who could be claimed by a foreign Government to serve our country. The British were stopping American vessels and impressing sailors who had been born in the UK but had become Americans. Britain did not recognize naturalised American citizenship, and treated anyone born a British subject as still "British" — as a result, the Royal Navy impressed over 9,000 sailors who claimed to be American citizens.

In addition to going to war, the US took other measures to deal with the problem of having its sailors impressed into the British Navy: On February 9, 1813, the US House of Representatives passed a law that required that all the officers and three fourths of the seamen on a ship of the United States be natural born citizens.

Whatever “natural born citizen” meant to the founding generation (many of whom were still alive and serving in Congress at the time,) the US Congress of 1813 thought that requiring a person to be such would prevent the British definition of “natural born subject” from applying to such a person—which means that a “natural born citizen” of the US could not have been born on British soil, nor could a “natural born citizen” of the US have even one British parent.

As a side note I finally found the quote I was looking for last night!

The U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual—7 FAM 1130 (page 9) says:

…the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes

463 posted on 04/10/2016 2:54:28 PM PDT by JayGalt
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