[CapitalistCrusader]

You can't have morals without a philosophy and that philosophy has to be base in reality. Since reality is outside the self then we are in agreement. Remember that religion is a type of philosophy.

I'm not saying the a religious based philosophy is invalid. Just that a religious based philosophy is not the only basis for morality.

I'm not at all angry. What gave you that idea.

[wbarmy]

What other type of philosophy is reality based?

And some people seem to get angry when moral frameworks are discussed outside of religion or God. They tend to assume their personal moral system is the same that is shared by everyone and is totally self evident and better than the moral basis of religion or God.