Posted on 04/01/2016 7:47:01 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
“Perhaps because this has been the process for a very long time.”
And how many examples of this have been known to occur in the past?
Contested conventions have been a regular feature in the political life of the US. In the 2nd GOP convention in 1860, Lincoln did not go into the convention with the most delegates - he was elected on the 3rd ballot. So please don't try to pretend that this is some great conspiracy directed solely at Trump - this has happened many times.
Yeah I’ve read lots of things you believed to be true that were proven false.
This has been the system for literally decades. The problem is, nobody studies civics anymore. The usual morons have no clue what happens. If you aren't willing to stay after the vote to support your candidate, you could lose your delegate to someone else. This has worked very well for years, but in times like this, unless you support your candidate, things can happen. If you get to the state convention and your guy loses, do you take your marbles and go home, or move your vote to your second choice? Anything can happen at this point.
This is why I always say you need to vote in the primary because that is where YOU get a choice. After that, it takes a life of it's own. In the end, you will be presented with a choice and you choose again. You are doing essentially the same thing as you will vote for delegates to represent you in the electoral college. People grumble again when a hitch in the get along happens there, but that has been our system for a LOOOONG time. It's actually possible that you could elect an elector that will switch his/her vote from R to D and you get Hillary when you sent them for Trump or Cruz, whoever the R will be. They are usually pledged to vote your way, but it would be interesting to see if there has ever been someone fined or jailed for switching their vote. I can imagine a Trump elector getting up there to vote and would vote for Hillary. Just listen to the whining going on in the "establishment"( these are the most likely to be elected as an elector as the "movers and shakers" are the ones that support the party), and they could make good on their promise to vote for Hillary if Trump gets it.
The Dems do the same thing with Super Delegates. They pick who they want and then make it happen.
PS. This is why it's so important to learn the US is NOT a Democracy! A Democracy is basically "mob rule". If you get 50+1, you can overturn the Second Amendment, bring back slavery, stop abortion, ect. We are a democratic republic. We make laws and then elect people to carry them out. By constantly preaching we are a democracy, we give the unwashed the false feeling they have power they don't have. It has worked when gay marriage was introduced because a "poll" showed 60% wanted it. What about when a majority wants to overturn Roe? Will the "democrats" scream, "But, But, But, it's the law!" Will we pray in school when a majority decides Jesus was right? For me, saying the US is a democracy is like finger nails on a blackboard. When the "mob" starts to get their way, trouble is on the way.
Well said.
Just a reminder: The guys on Mt. Rushmore never won a primary, and certainly not one where crude democracy was the rule.
All kinds of stuff goes on at any convention other than just selecting one nominee. Being there while backing a loser is just paying dues. The experience can be used to recruit like-minded others. Elections are every two years.
If Trump want to be the nominee, he must get 1237 delegates outright. I think the convention won't be kind to him. If all the delegates remain loyal, then there will be 50 votes with no candidate. A deal will have to be made. Bringing in an establishment pick will not work. It will be Trump or Cruz. If Trump keeps looking weak, the delegates will switch to Cruz.
So the threshold of 1237 only applies to Trump. Everyone else still stands a chance without it except the Frontrunner. Brilliant plan!
Many of the delegates will come in already favoring Cruz. They’ll be bound on the first ballot or two to Trump, but as soon as they are released, they can switch. There can also be “faithless electors” who decide to buck the rules and vote for whoever they want, despite their state’s rules. It’s unclear what the mechanism would be to enforce the binding on those delegates.
What Trump is saying is if he come close, we should just anoint him. That's not how it works. IMO, Trump will be outed for the liberal he is before all the primaries are over. This week has been bad with the abortion do hickey and NATO and the atomic Japan bruhahah. Before long people will see the trade war that will come along with other dumb things he spews out of his pie hole. If all it takes is a fence to get votes, I'm sure Cruz will build the fence. Supporting Planned Parenthood is just a sign of things to come. Anyone that gave money to Obama doesn't understand how to make America great.
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