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To: QuigleyDU

Chuckle are you want Quigley. The opponents of Trump have 5,000,000 more votes that Trump. He is the weakest “front runner” we have ever had, weaker than Romney. And when he gets to the convention without the majority of delegates, you can rest assured that he will not be nominated. Now, will Cruz? I honestly don’t know. But I know that the Cruz forces are working for a 2nd ballot victory. It is not dirty, it is the way the system works, and has worked since the beginning of the two parties.


132 posted on 03/30/2016 2:11:25 PM PDT by gbscott1954 (Why not a real Conservative?)
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To: gbscott1954

I am afraid Cruz has too high negatives. if trump goes down, so should Cruz, there is simply no way to unite ex-trump folks behind him. Same is true for his plank, it does not appeal across party lines. The only caveat to that is if he gets the magic 1237, I think a lot of Trump folks would pull the handle for him.

Not to say the same is not true of trump. But it might be easier for folks to accept him if he reaches the magic 1237 mark. That said his negatives are way too high as well, though he seems to have the cross over appeal in states the republicans have to turn.

If neither of those two get it, the only chance the GOP has is a plank similar if not identical to Trumps and a GOP governor who can unite the party.

No one associated with the Washington GOP really stands a chance.


134 posted on 03/30/2016 2:22:06 PM PDT by Frederick303
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To: gbscott1954

Didn’t say it was dirty, it’s how you elect Clinton.


139 posted on 03/30/2016 2:40:19 PM PDT by QuigleyDU
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To: gbscott1954
Chuckle are you want Quigley. The opponents of Trump have 5,000,000 more votes that Trump. He is the weakest “front runner” we have ever had, weaker than Romney. And when he gets to the convention without the majority of delegates, you can rest assured that he will not be nominated. Now, will Cruz? I honestly don’t know. But I know that the Cruz forces are working for a 2nd ballot victory. It is not dirty, it is the way the system works, and has worked since the beginning of the two parties.

Ah, another one laying the groundwork for their own cognitive acceptance of election theft.

You say "it is the way the system works, and has worked since the beginning of the two parties.". System, huh. Don't make make it sound like some profound constitutional article or amendment.

The candidates are really just trying to achieve ballot access for the federal election held in each state. The party bureaucrats however are jockeying for power and money. And somehow we have managed to grant these "parties" monopoly like status like MTA or Con-Ed. This whole thing is very very corrupt.

The system that you are seemingly willing to fall back on to get your guy in there ( umm, do you really think the GOPe would run him? ), is made up of rules solely to empower a small handful of fat cat bureaucrats to select someone with zero votes over someone with millions. Extremely corrupt.

This potential theft is something that Cruzers are now outwardly embracing. Should it happen, falling back on the "rules" excuse is certainly what many will use to sleep at night, but it won't change the fact that it is wrong. The only winner in that case is the party, especially the GOPe. And the sad fact is that Cruz and his Cruzers who conspire to block the vote/delegate leader will be saving the establishment, and nothing else. It would be the clearest example of a pyrrhic victory imaginable.

Let's look at the situation.

Results of the Republican Party presidential primaries, 2016
 Donald Trump ... 7,861,671 (37.11%) Primary=18 Caucus=3
 Ted Cruz ....... 5,779,837 (27.28%) Primary= 3 Caucus=8
 John Kasich .... 2,821,264 (13.32%) Primary= 1 Caucus=0
 Marco Rubio .... 3,469,278 (16.38%) Primary= 1 Caucus=2
 Ben Carson ....... 692,693 ( 3.27%)
 Jeb Bush ......... 254,515 ( 1.20%)
 Rand Paul ......... 56,451 ( 0.27%)
 Chris Christie .... 52,679 ( 0.25%)
 Mike Huckabee ..... 47,263 ( 0.22%)
 Carly Fiorina ..... 35,287 ( 0.17%)
 Rick Santorum ..... 15,774 ( 0.07%)
 Jim Gilmore ........ 2,671 ( 0.01%)

Mathematically there is no way imaginable that anyone but Trump will be the leader in both delegates, and popular votes at the end of the primaries. It is a very dark road to go down to nominate someone not on top of that pile there. If it were reversed, and Trump was in 2nd place there is no way in hell I would be rooting for him to topple the leader. If he had zero votes? Not a chance would I accept it. Yet that is what they are preparing us for. And yes, Saint Ted is part of this cabal unless he changes course rapidly.

Rules or not, it is fundamentally dishonest and morally bankrupt to consider this. Rules or not, it is undemocratic, and it is also something far far worse and patently obvious to anyone with a functioning brain! What is that? It is illogical. If you actually want to win the general election, you don't nominate someone not capable of getting the votes in the primary when the only voters are (R)+(C). Because in November, when they kick the doors wide open to (D)+(L) it will be a bloodbath for the others. Any thought that Trump voters will forget the theft makes it worse. It comes down to asking who would vote for Cruz or Kasich who hasn't already done so. (D) and (L) voters? Yeah, right.

The GOPe has a reason to lose the general ( because they still win ), but that excuse does not hold water for anyone else, especially the Cruzers who are allegedly Constitutionalists. I see it coming right out of their mouthes now that they would rather lose with Cruz than win with Trump. That translates in English to they would rather lose the Second Amendment to Hillary than win with Trump.

Cruzers are devolving into useful idiots for the GOPe. And the dirty little secret they have buried in their minds is that all these rules were not set up to stop Trump, they were set up to stop the next Reagan pretender. Guess who that is. The GOPe must be destroyed. That half of the uniparty is half of our entire problem and we are within reach of ending their corruption. Cruz looks like he is tossing them a lifeline, wittingly or unwittingly.

I hope that people start thinking clearly. Forget hanging chads and the Florida Supreme Court, they were keystone cops compared to the GOPe machine.

196 posted on 03/31/2016 12:49:35 PM PDT by Democratic-Republican
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