Posted on 03/25/2016 6:53:04 AM PDT by central_va
Any time you’re talking parallel world you always have to say “probably”. I already explained it TWICE buckwheat, you keep ignoring the answer because it doesn’t fit in your narrow factually challenged world view.
The “formula” works fine. The numbers are still the numbers. Manufacturing is UP. Which is a fact you have trouble understanding.
Again stone brain please answer the question.
I didn’t say manufacturing of consumer electronics is up. I said MANUFACTURING (no sector qualifications) is up, which it is.
Before insulting people you should actually bother to get your facts straight. Actually you should just bother to get your facts straight in general, even if you’re not planning on resorting to name calling. And then you should not bother to resort to name calling, since that just announces to the world you’ve got no logic to back your argument.
So I ask you if manufacturing is up, high much higher would manufacturing be IF WE HAD AN ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY? Can you answer a simple question?
We wouldn’t have an electronics industry. It moved out of America for a reason. If they’d stayed they’d have died. Companies have even tried to rebirth it, Vizio tried manufacturing TVs here, didn’t work, couldn’t make the cost points. So the answer is ZERO.
Part of the problem protectionists have is they never bother to look at the underlying economic reality. They just brandish people traitors and move on. They act like the only reason anything moves offshore is because bosses are mean and enjoy laying off Americans. Out here in reality things move offshore because it’s the right decision for the company. Sentimentality doesn’t increase the sales, doesn’t lower costs, and doesn’t pay bills. If you want EVEN MORE manufacturing in America you need to make it economically intelligent. And you also need to accept it won’t improve the job market. Manufacturing is done by machines now, not people.
Complete BS. Bye.
The facts prove you wrong. Again look at Vizio, they actively TRIED to manufacture in America and found they couldn’t make it work. Companies don’t move their manufacturing for fun, or to be mean, they do it for survival, they do it because it’s their job. Companies exist to make profit. They have a duty to their investors to give them a return on their investment. They need to look at the situation and act accordingly. And if the right move is don’t build in America that’s not their fault.
If you took a 1/4 of the energy you dedicate to insulting people who point out the flaws in your logic you could actually UNDERSTAND the situation. Then you could see where the ACTUAL solutions are, and that often there simply aren’t any. But that doesn’t fit your need to just insist everybody who uses logic is a traitor. So you’ll remain willfully ignorant on this issue until the day you die, having accomplished NOTHING, and changed NOTHING, and having denied the basic reality of EVERYTHING.
Slap a 30% tariff on all imported goods and that would be a good start.
The reality is most people do not own stock, never will own stock. Most people, 70% never go to college. A tariff would help blue collar America greatly.
You do not understand because it is you who are the fringe kook wanting open trade with a hostile world. You are the radical here.
The Republican platform 1924
The Tariff
We reaffirm our belief in the protective tariff to extend needed protection to our productive industries. We believe in protection as a national policy, with due and equal regard to all sections and to all classes. It is only by adherence to such a policy that the well being of the consumers can be safeguarded that there can be assured to American agriculture, to American labor and to American manufacturers a return to perpetrate American standards of life. A protective tariff is designed to support the high American economic level of life for the average family and to prevent a lowering to the levels of economic life prevailing in other lands.
In the history of the nation the protective tariff system has ever justified itself by restoring confidence, promoting industrial activity and employment, enormously increasing our purchasing power and bringing increased prosperity to all our people.
I know the Smoot-Hawley lie. Rewriting history is unseemly and is what fascist do.
That’s the open border crowd urinating on the blue collar boys who saw their jobs shipped away.
I should not mind paying higher prices, by giving Obama’s government a 20% tax, because I beleive jobs won’t return even if the factories do? Can you pronounce non-sequitur?
Beyond your 20% tariff on durable goods you still haven’t explained how your tariff scheme will work? Have you decided it’s only durable goods or is it all imports?
Perhaps instead of a tariff it may be better to have a law that makes it illegal to close factories. Well of course if none of those fabled 100,000 factories, nice round number that it is, had left employment may be a little higher. But they would have still drastically curtailed employment.
Again industrial output is at near record levels maybe it could be higher but jobs are going to continue to decline. Higher employment costs means less jobs and more robots and automation. Many US workers are priced out of the labor market thanks to the myriad government rules and regulations and industry protection rackets such as sugar tariffs.
Raising costs to American companies using foreign components, causing them to have to raise prices, causing loss of market share, causing loss of American manufacturing jobs.
Brilliant.
https://www.numbersusa.com/news/one-third-h-1b-workers-ohio-paid-internship-level-wages
jUST saw this
up from what? from when. From what year to what year.
Be flippant you a$$hole. The American people have had enough of “Free Trade”.
Pick your year. Manufacturing right now is a higher percentage of our GDP than it was just prior to WWII, a time when we were considered to be a great industrial might. It’s manufacturing JOBS that are disappearing not manufacturing, and that’s because of automation. Do things move offshore? Of course, but other things come onshore. Things get built where it makes the most sense to build them, and there’s a lot that goes into making some place the right place. Some of those things we can change, like ending abusive taxation, and simplifying the EPA. Some we can’t, like distance from supplies and market (contrary to popular belief not everything gets sold here, we buy a lot, but it’s a big planet).
Nope, that would accomplish the exact same thing Smoot-Hawley did: it would screw up the economy. Tariffs are how people who don’t understand international trade try to punish people who do.
Smoot-Hawley is a laughable attempt at re-writing history.
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