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Donald Trump Must Beware of Trojan Horse Convention Delegates (alert!)
breitbart ^ | 3-21 | Roger Stone

Posted on 03/20/2016 9:49:23 PM PDT by dennisw

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To: CurlyDave
I don't know the count, will Trump make the 8 state rule? If so he will probably be the only one. What is your read if no one crosses that threshold? Does it lead to a wide-open convention?


41 posted on 03/21/2016 12:35:56 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Trump did meet the 8 state rule (to win a majority in 8 states). Cruz has done that in four. I’m not sure how Cruz looks in the remaining states. Utah I guess. I was at a Washington state caucus and 90% or more were for Cruz. But we have to go by the primary results - but I think the state is leaning Cruz. (Well - probably Bernie for the populated parts of the state....)


42 posted on 03/21/2016 12:43:12 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: dennisw

Message to GOP Delegates:

DONALD TRUMP LOVES TO SUE PEOPLE, and on a personal level.

So if you decide to go along with late change to the rules, you better have some deep pockets, because you WILL need them as you try to fight off his lawyers. For starters, Mr. Trump has already spent $30 Million of his own money, and probably will spend another $30 Million by the time this is over. And that is only direct damages. God knows what else Mr. Trump’s legal team will come up with.

(and no, not a threat as I have no association with Trump, just an observation based on his past business dealings - he doesn’t take being double-crossed very lightly)


43 posted on 03/21/2016 12:43:40 AM PDT by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: nathanbedford

Just operate within the rules, a concept which all constitutionalists on this forum will no doubt support.


Yeah, and who wrote the rules? These lying, stinking backstabbers. Not this time is right.


44 posted on 03/21/2016 12:46:33 AM PDT by magglepuss
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To: nathanbedford

Trump has already passed the 8 state rule. Cruz is not even close and probably will not. The issue of what happens if no one crosses is moot.

To me, this is the big problem. If they change the rule to allow other candidates to be placed in nomination, they are changing it only to screw Trump.

One of the things I don’t know is what happens if he has less than 1237 delegates, but no one else meets the 8 state rule?

I suspect that delegates pledged to other candidates can not vote in the first round if their candidate is not nominated. Now, does nomination really require more than 1237, or does it require more than 50% of the votes cast? If Trump is the only nominee is he the winner?

The rule is new, but as you were saying, it is the rule. Changing it now is going to disadvantage Trump. That is just not right.


45 posted on 03/21/2016 12:59:46 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: dennisw

If he gets the umber and it is stolen from him the GOP is over


46 posted on 03/21/2016 1:01:37 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: CurlyDave
My first reaction is to agree with your assessment, if Trump is the only candidate qualified under the eight state rule (Trump not having won outright on the first ballot with 1237 votes) then he is the only one who should be scheduled in subsequent ballots.

But then one must consider whether he continues to fail to get 1237 votes, is the convention doomed to eternal stalemate? Normally, we would say that rules ought not to be changed contemporaneously with the event, especially if those making the changes are not representatives democratically elected which appears to be the case here. In other words those who would change the rules as they go along are appointees of regional party apparatus and not necessarily representatives of victorious primary candidates like Trump. If those controlling the rules were truly representative of the voters, I might have a different point of view.

In the event should such a scenario unwind it seems clear that Trump will be able to horse trade and get enough votes to put himself over the majority threshold. Evidently, the fear is that after the initial ballot support for Trump will erode rather than grow by horsetrading. Meanwhile, the elites will jigger the rules and I think that would be inappropriate and wrong-because they are not representative of the voters.


47 posted on 03/21/2016 1:10:52 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: CurlyDave
The republican nominee will be the one that gets 50%+1 of the first vote. Most of the delegates will be committed to however their state/precinct/caucus voted and who they were sent there to vote for. About four or five states have it where the delegates can change their vote for the first ballot (South Dakota being one of them, which had the thread about that).

On the second ballot (and the rest of them) - you can vote for who you want to. I imagine that Rubio can tell his delegates to vote for xxx, and Kasich can tell his to vote for yyyy and hope that their delegates follow their direction. I doubt if Cruz is close to Trump that he would have his delegates vote for zzzz, but perhaps.

I think it was upthread that someone surmised that Trump could promise Cruz a job so as to get Cruz's delegates.

I'm reminded of Nixon when he didn't fight the recount when he lost in 1960. To spare the country all of the drama. I imagine that something like that may happen if the Republicans see something like that happening. I would like to think so anyway. They will definitely need to come together at the convention to have any chance of beating Hillary.

48 posted on 03/21/2016 1:14:02 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: dennisw
LOL, at the end he says he expects kidnapping. Roger Stone has lost it. This destroys the credibility of the whole article.

Kidnapping is a real possibility. What happens if a pledged delegate decides not to show up for the first ballot? The alternate replacing them may not be for Trump.

49 posted on 03/21/2016 1:30:55 AM PDT by JediJones (I'm with Ted Cruz, Mark Levin, Dana Loesch, Steve Deace, Michelle Malkin, James Woods & Ben Shapiro)
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To: CurlyDave
Trump has already passed the 8 state rule. Cruz is not even close and probably will not.

Yes, Cruz is close. Utah will be his 5th. He's a lock to win several more of those flyover states like Nebraska, Montana, South Dakota, Indiana, etc. and I imagine an unexpected state like Maine will be tossed in there. If the GOPe change the 8-state rule, it will be stop Cruz, not Trump, because that rule would make it easy for them to rally behind Cruz against Trump if they wanted to.

50 posted on 03/21/2016 1:43:13 AM PDT by JediJones (I'm with Ted Cruz, Mark Levin, Dana Loesch, Steve Deace, Michelle Malkin, James Woods & Ben Shapiro)
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To: boycott

“The party would be over if they pulled that sort of bs.”

I care more about America than I dislike the gop. But I have to admit, seeing the gop wing of the uniparty laid waste is a mighty nice consolation prize.


51 posted on 03/21/2016 1:53:30 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: faithhopecharity

Electing hitlery is likely the strategy. The uniparty owns both the ‘rats and the gop. While they would prefer to run with two candidates, I’m sure they’ll be just fine with electing hitlery.

An interesting part would be played out down ticket. As millions decline to vote as a result of the shenanigans, a fair number of down ballot choices could see themselves cast overboard.


52 posted on 03/21/2016 1:58:26 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: RKBA Democrat

understood


53 posted on 03/21/2016 1:59:53 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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To: nathanbedford

Yes. That’s quite the conundrum. And therein lies the problem with pissing off large numbers of populists who might not be all that interested in the finer points of conservative theory. They might be pissed off enough to destroy the place on their way out the door.

The establishment power structure as well as their useful conservatives seem to forget that winning at any cost often becomes winning at all costs. Including their own destruction.


54 posted on 03/21/2016 2:14:01 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: nathanbedford

“I don’t know the count, will Trump make the 8 state rule?”

Trump already has.


55 posted on 03/21/2016 2:17:59 AM PDT by flaglady47 (TRUMP ROCKS !!!)
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To: TangibleDisgust

Looks like most if not all the marbles are in play.

The political establishment should tread very lightly. But they probably won’t. Stupid is as stupid does.


56 posted on 03/21/2016 2:47:50 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: 21twelve

Beyond the first ballot?

Several states bind delegations through the 2nd ballot.
Florida delegates are bound through the 3rd ballot (thanks Jeb!)
A few other states require 2/3 consensus to support another candidate.


57 posted on 03/21/2016 2:52:28 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: dennisw

“Like they did Ron Paul in 2012”

Two rather different situations, I would say.


58 posted on 03/21/2016 2:55:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown, are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: dennisw

I wish they would stop using Paul. He didn’t have any chance and nowhere near the delegates.

Now, as for the rules: if Trump goes in with the delegates and is cheated-—cause that is what it would be-—out of the nomination, the Republican Party will officially end in a period of a week.


59 posted on 03/21/2016 3:03:47 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: gogeo

By “their” of course you mean the Dems, and indeed Trump is the instrument of their destruction-—which is why the GOPe also oppose him.


60 posted on 03/21/2016 3:07:03 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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