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To: Hojczyk

Cruz did not side with the protesters, unless you call standing with the Frist Amendment left.
He condemned the violence, stood strong on speech.
I get that trump supporters agree with on speech, “sit down and shut up”,


39 posted on 03/12/2016 3:53:28 PM PST by svcw (An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject)
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To: svcw

He pretty much nuaced his comments to blame Trump.

This is all about keeping Trump out of the White House.

It was a planned slam (per facebook and social media) and finances by the donor class.

Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich were being pure DC.


53 posted on 03/12/2016 3:56:49 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: svcw

He did not stand strong on speech. Trump is not allowed to be fiery because it upsets folks. Hardly strong on speech


195 posted on 03/12/2016 4:42:59 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: svcw
Cruz did not side with the protesters, unless you call standing with the Frist Amendment left. He condemned the violence
. . . which was the only thing to do.
stood strong on speech.
“Speech” is just talking. Unless of course you mean serious speech, in which The missing element in your analysis is the fact that listeners have rights. Listeners don’t have to pay attention to you or me, or Donald Trump. They voluntarily decide to listen to somebody, and if they are prevented from hearing - by anyone other than the speaker, who may (for example) charge a fee - that violates their rights.

It is very far from being the case that Trump - and people who disagree with Trump - are the only persons whose rights are at issue in this case. The people who disagree with Trump have a right to express their own opinions to anyone who is willing to listen. They do not have a right to prevent me from listening to Trump if I wanna. Not in a free republic.

Condemning the uncivil behavior is the only legitimate, prudent discussion of the matter. If you don’t like Trump’s policies, or the way he talks - but can’t charge him with inciting to riot - then you have to shut up about it. That actually helps Trump, of course. But “Them,” as comedian Jimmy Durante used to put it “is the conditions that prevail.”

This event - and Cruz’ gratuitous criticism of Trump in the context of it - makes Trump’s nomination even more likely than it already was.


314 posted on 03/12/2016 7:15:44 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: svcw

You can’t reason with these people. It is pretty much a cult.


361 posted on 03/12/2016 9:14:33 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: svcw

Blaming the person who had his First Amendment rights taken away for the actions of the people infringing on his rights, as Cruz undeniably did, is just about the furthest from “standing with the First Amendment” I can imagine a person doing. You in your post are also accusing Trump of what the leftists did to him—just as the leftists blame women raped by Muslims in Europe on the women victims because of their clothing. Since Cruz blamed the victim in this instance, too many others feel that it is fine to do so too, instead of putting the blame on those who denied Trump’s right to be heard under the Constitution. Hypocritical Cruz supporters who want to excuse the thought police and oppression of dissent (which is what blaming Trump for what was done to him does) in this country are starting to make me feel ill. I will never again take seriously the claim that Cruz is a defender of the Constitution.

And no, Trump has oppressed no one’s free speech. Trump rents these venues. The disruptors do not have any right to invade the event he’s paying for to try to stop him from speaking, any more than I would have a right to hold a protest in a house someone is renting. There are places outside for protestors to be heard at every single Trump rally. The only free speech issue here is the leftists’ infringement on Trump’s First Amendment rights. It is unfortunate that some people’s blind hatred of Trump will not allow them to see this, so they join forces with the radical leftists and the MSM in making the same sort of illegitimate attacks on Trump instead.


482 posted on 03/13/2016 6:39:11 AM PDT by FenwickBabbitt
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To: svcw

“I get that trump supporters agree with on speech, “sit down and shut up”,”

Welcome to Bizarro World. You need to find the video of Atty. Peter Johnson, Jr., on FNC this morning. He can school you on exactly who’s infringing on whose free speech. (And he’s not even a Trump supporter.)


519 posted on 03/13/2016 12:53:22 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (When Cruz aligns himself with Ayers, Sanders, Soros, and MSM, he's one of them.)
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