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To: Democrat_media

This article is duplicitous, deceptive, and deceiful. The Trumpettes that are swallowing and regurgitating this swill are saps of the highest order.

TPA is not and never was the same thing as TPP. Cruz is exactly right, and Trump and his paid slimers are intentional liars.


15 posted on 03/11/2016 2:17:35 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Cruz+wrote+article+promoting+tpa

Why would a conservative even consider giving up the Senate's Constitutionally mandated duty to check the executive which TPA does? of course a real conservative wouldn't but Cruz is a fraud:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409

20 posted on 03/11/2016 2:23:12 PM PST by Democrat_media (ONLY Trump will build the wall that will stop the illegals invasion of the USA!)
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To: John Valentine
You're exactly right.

Allow me to recycle a previous post of mine on this topic...

What Ted Cruz supported was the vote to allow for the administration to have ‘fast-track’ authority on the bill. Essentially what that boils down to is that when the treaty is submitted for vote to the senate, it gets an up/down vote without amendments. This is how you have to negotiate treaties, because a treaty is somewhat atomic in nature. You can’t slice and dice it once it has been negotiated, because if that were the case, the revised treaty would then have to go back out to each of the countries involved in the negotiation process, for them to either buy in to the changes, or to renegotiate based on the changes demanded by the senate. The resulting treaty would be different, and would thus have to be resubmitted to senate approval, for them to so the same stuff to again.

Basically, you never get anything in a final form that way.

This ‘fast track’ authority has been given to every president since FDR because it is necessary if you’re going to have international agreements.

You can be sure that if Cruz were to win the presidency, he’d be requesting this same authority on his own behalf. Don’t you think it would be somewhat hypocritical of him to say, yeah, I know I voted against it for Obama, but I want it for myself?

Of course, for a democrat, since nothing they said yesterday is ever held against them (see supreme court appointment discussions), it wouldn’t matter, but for republicans the standards are somewhat different. As such, he really didn’t have any choice, and it was the right thing to do anyway if you think the world needs to be able to have these type of negotiated agreements.

Now, one thing I completely disagree with about this whole thing is that, as usual, the politicians at all levels and both parties are being disingenuous about the treaty itself. They claim it is a ‘trade agreement’ rather than a treaty, to get around the 2/3 support a treaty needs in the senate. This is bullshit IMO. Call the damn thing what it is, (a treaty) and if it’s worth approving once it is submitted, you’ll be able to get the votes.

The establishment has been doing the slight-of-hand on these things since NAFTA, if not before. I wish Cruz had called them on their crap and said, “we’ll give the president fast-track, but the treaty has to stand constitutional scrutiny.

Once again, since the issues involved won’t fit in a tweet, or on a bumper sticker, the real issues won’t be discussed beyond throwing out silly slogans, and obfuscation.

We’re apparently the Kardashian nation now. God help us.

26 posted on 03/11/2016 2:25:17 PM PST by zeugma (Vote Cruz!)
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To: John Valentine

posting something 2x does not make it true


34 posted on 03/11/2016 2:32:32 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledgee chosen to participate inthat is - 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: John Valentine

Not only is the Trump camp lying...Cruz did indeed vote against TPA. It’s in the record. He also explained why he changed his mind and voted against TPA. Yet still they lie. That’s what Trump camp followers do these days. They have that in common with leftist Democrats.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/420181/cruz-now-no-tpa-andrew-c-mccarthy


79 posted on 03/11/2016 3:33:01 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie)
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To: John Valentine

Voting for the TPA makes it EASIER to pass the TPP.

ANYONE that makes it easier to pass the TPP IS for it.

The TPA just protects guys like Cruz, and gullible Cruz supporters are falling for it hook, line and sinker.


83 posted on 03/11/2016 3:40:46 PM PST by Enlightened1
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