[ConservingFreedom]

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform: "We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program."

ok break down the supposed STEM degrees. How many in each discipline?

Ask Trump - he thinks the fact he presented is telling.

There are not enough ENGINEERING and COMP SCI folks

So we have too many science (S) and math (M) folks - none of whom can do engineering or tech?

When we do find them, they're costing more than $150k per year.

And American workers shouldn't be paid that much?

[Solson]

Here is the list of "STEM" degrees. Did you psychology is considered a STEM degree??

The numbers are bunk when broken down...which is why Trump was right to soften his stance on this.

http://stemdegreelist.com/

[Solson]

Yes - we have too many irrelevant degrees under the wide umbrella of "STEM." - Not enough related to comp sci thus the need.

And generally, unless you're a psych graduate who also knows how to code or set up infrastructure or databases, no, you cannot do that work.

On the price - let em make as much as they can. The good ones are 3x-5x more efficient and productive than offshore resources.

[CottonBall]

“So we have too many science (S) and math (M) folks - none of whom can do engineering or tech?”

Of course not.

Math courses are completely different than engineering courses. The different engineering disciplines aren’t interchangeable either. I have a BS in metallurgical engineering. Nobody would hire me to do electrical engineering. Nor would I want to even try.

I can’t believe you actually had to ask that. Would you go to an orthopedic surgeon if you had heart trouble?