New Video Shows Two Camera Angles Of LaVoy Finicum Shooting

LiveLeak ^ | 3/8/16

[Wilderness Conservative]

Burns, OR - An FBI agent is suspected of lying about firing twice at Robert "LaVoy" Finicum and may have gotten help from four other FBI agents in covering up afterward, authorities revealed Tuesday.

The bullets didn't hit Finicum and didn't contribute to his death, but now all five unnamed agents, part of an elite national unit, are under criminal investigation by the U.S. Justice Department. Inspector General Michael Horowitz is leading the independent inquiry.

The remarkable disclosure came as a team of local investigators released findings that two state troopers shot Finicum three times in the back during the chaotic scene at a police roadblock Jan. 26. One bullet pierced his heart, an autopsy showed.

A prosecutor ruled the fatal shooting was legally justified, saying state law allows use of deadly force when officers believe a person is about to seriously injure or kill someone. Finicum kept moving his hands toward a pocket that contained a loaded handgun. Although he was shot from behind, Finicum had a trooper in front of him armed with a Taser who was thought to be in danger.

Finicum, 54, an Arizona rancher, was one of the leaders of the Jan. 2 takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns.

Investigators gave no details to explain why the one FBI agent, a member of the Hostage Rescue Team, wouldn't report the two shots. They also didn't indicate what his four colleagues on the team did to warrant investigation other than saying it was related to conduct after the shooting.

[JLS]

“pocket your dropped.”

It occurs to me giving someone who does not know English well the authority to shoot others could lead to real problems like the ones in this incident.

[semimojo]

None of that gives the cops the right to kill nor is any of that against the law

True, but following that erratic behavior by jumping out of the truck, refusing commands to surrender and reaching inside his jacket was sure to be viewed as a threat by the LEOs, and I suspect that's what LaVoy wanted.

[Bob434]

[[I just don’t get how people don’t understand simple commands looking down the barrel of a gun of a law enforcement official.]]

The truck had been fired on at the first stop- unprovoked- He took off in aN Effort to save thsoe in the vehicle,- He was fired on as he rounded a corner where the roadblock was- He came to a stop and immediately jumped out of the vehicle because hte vehicle wasw beign fired on and ran as far away from the vehicle as he could hoping to draw the gunshots AWAY from the vehicle to protect those in the vehicle once again

It was pretty obvious at this point in time that the LEO’s meant to murder him- there was no complying- there was only the possibility of drawing fire AWAY from the vehicle in the hopes that his death would satisfy their bloodlust and the occupants of vehicle would be safe- it was a desperate measure- and he was yelling at them to get their attention OFF the vehicle and on him

It was a selfless act of self sacrifice at this point- When he came to the stop in the snowbank- He knew it was going to be a bloody ending- He could have drawn his weapon IN the truck and came out guns blazing, knowing he was goign to die, but he didn’t-

[[We need less stupid people, abide by commands,]]

There was nothing stupid about drawing fire away fro mthe vehicle- you listen to the girl who was i n the truck- they were firing the whole damn time- They wanted blood and nothing was going to deprive them of it! This was a senseless cold blooded murder

[[If you reach where it is later found a handgun existed well 1) your intent was of bad will]]

Yep- self preservation is always a bad thing

[Bulwyf]

Thanks, that was an excellent video. He said exactly what I’m thinking, with great passion. I see there’s at least one man left, let’s pray there are more.

[walkingdead]

I often wonder, in a combat zone, if “he reached for his pocket” would be sufficent to satisfy the rules of engagement. It seems that the rules for engagement are higher for our troops in combat zones than they are for our own LEOs.

Something is just not right. There were alot of hell raisers back in the 50’s and the LEOs of those days somehow managed to handle them without having to shoot everyone.

[Jarhead9297]

I am sorry dictionary extraordinaire, I had not idea this was a forum which employed editors but thank my iPhone and a quick post. I most certainly assure you my education level (college grad) and life experience (vet) had little to do with the conclusion I reached.

Cop draws gun, cop says halt. Perp reaches in pocket, perp is shot. It doesn’t take a scholar to figure out the cause/effect in that sequence of events but thanks though.

[Jarhead9297]

If that is truly how this played out and also the finding of the court then I too reach the same conclusion as you and those responsible should be held to account.

[JLS]

Just kidding a bit about the homophone, many including me make that error from time to time. I am in the camp that does not like cops shooting people when there is little danger to them and then clearing themselves. I prefer cops who have a bit of bravery.

[dadfly]

bookmark.

[Pajamajan]

Bookmark

[Jarhead9297]

I agree whole heartedly, I am not a cop apologist by any stretch and maybe cleared them too fast. I shall wait for all the facts to come in until passing judgement

[Boomer]

Yeah. Those LEO’s, especially the one who shot Lavoy in the back from behind 2 times, are some real brave honchos. I bet they just patted each other on the back big time over that one.

I hope the investigation proves the on scene LEO’s flat out murdered Lavoy. Was Lavoy acting a bit crazy? Yep. He had been trying to fight the good fight against an unlawful and overreaching government gone feral. All the more reason to handle this with a cool head. At the very least they could have bean bagged him with shotgun. Lavoy deserved better than to be gunned down in cold blood by a cowardly LEO in the back.

There was no reason for the stop in the first place or to block the road like they did. He was going to see the sheriff and told them that. There was no reason to doubt his word. It was all designed to kill someone and make an example out of them. That’s how this will be remembered and remembered during a time with LEO’s are under attack for being overbearing. Lavoy Finicum is a Martyr now and for all time.

Somewhere along the line the training of police officers changed from being peace keepers to being front line soldiers. A complete paradigm shift in thinking.

I know they have a tough job and getting tougher all the time with the open borders and invasions of Muzzies but that doesn’t give them a pass to kill citizens.

Now it’s time to make an example out of those rogue LEO’s and throw the book at them.

[doorgunner69]

We need less stupid people, abide by commands

Sieg Heil!

Dunno about you, but I left the service because I was not comfortable with being commanded around by those I knew to be less bright than me. Yes, I had a problem with authority, still do.

Am certainly not now more amenable to be ordered around by statist agents. I have rights, and they do not enumerate obeying whoever happens to bark "commands" at me.

Ability to kill me if I do not obey is temporary to the moment. Things change, the statist agents should keep that in mind.

[doorgunner69]

It seems that the rules for engagement are higher for our troops in combat zones than they are for our own LEOs.

I suspect the current regime is not so concerned about the troops making it home safe each night as they are cops.

Cops, shoot first, full pardon forthcoming, is a given.

Troops, shoot first, better have all the clearances recorded or it is Federal prison for you.

[Jarhead9297]

Unless blatently illegal such as cold blooded murder with intent to kill (shall be proven in court) I’d pose to say he’d still be alive today. There is a time and place to fight. The best place (and still be vertical) is in court with a solid attorney.

I’d rather be dead right and alive then dead right and also dead. What purpose does one serve with the latter? Not a damn thing other than to say hey I was right?

[LucyT]

Tuesday, March 8, 2016

Special Agent Gregory Bretzing's Murder Incorporated of LaVoy Finicum

As another Lame Cherry exclusive in matter anti matter.

My thanks to the Viking for sharing this on a busy day.

The LaVoy Finicum Autopsy Report

All hell is literally breaking loose in the FBI and in the Oregon Office as Inspector General Michael Horowitz has opened up an immense investigation of criminal wrongdoing by the FBI in the murder of LaVoy Finicum.

For those who taunted the Finicum family for not releasing the autopsy report they have, the reality is damning against the FBI and Oregon State police and whoever else in this Bretzing Shootfest was peppering LaVoy Finicum with lead.

We now have absolute proof that LaVoy Finicum was shot 3 times in the back. We know one of these shots pierced Mr. Finicums heart, and this is why he went down like the life was knocked out of him, and he recovered for a time, as he was still alive.

I will repeat the fact posted here, that if LaVoy Finicum would have received prompt medical attention, he would have lived. It is criminal homicide for the FBI to have left Mr. Finicum to bleed out while laying on the snow for 10 minutes as they blasted the Americans in the vehicle who were showing no resistance at all.

This becomes even worse, as there is absolute evidence now that the FBI KNEW information on the strafing of the Finicum pick up, and Gregory Bretzing covered it up and lied to the American people. The FBI was firing at LaVoy Finicum from overhead in hitting his pick up as he was attempting to surrender.

That is why Mr. Finicum was scolding them about shooting him if they were going to kill him as that was the FBI's intent.

This degrades to something far worse and criminal as the FBI was shooting at LaVoy Finicum and then at least 5 agents covered up these shots fired, and attempted to place the blame on the murder of LaVoy Finicum entirely on the Oregon State Police.

The bullets didn't hit Finicum and didn't contribute to his death, but now all five unnamed agents, part of an elite national unit, are under criminal investigation by the U.S. Justice Department. Inspector General Michael Horowitz is leading the independent inquiry.

Worse yet, we now know that it was not one Oregon Trooper but several who were spraying lead at this old cowboy in LaVoy Finicum.

There were apparently at least 10 law enforcement shooting at an unarmed man, with his hands in the air, in deep snow and attempting to surrender.

The remarkable disclosure came as a team of local investigators released findings that two state troopers shot Finicum three times in the back during the chaotic scene at a police roadblock Jan. 26.

The full story I will post below but it is absolutely damning of the FBI and the buck stops completely with Special Agent Gregory Bretzing, who bragged about his multi level operation against these Patriots, and is criminally responsible for the mayhem which was unleashed.

The reality is due to two known moles who have been outed, the FBI knew the Bundy Group were about to leave the Refuge in evacuating it within a week. The Bundy Group were on their way to see the Grant County Sheriff, where they all could have been taken into custody, and ended this without bloodshed. We now have the evidence that the FBI in Oregon was so out of control that it became Murder Incorporated.

The District Attorney of Harney County in Tim Colahan can continue to try and blame the victim murdered in LaVoy Finicum, but the reality is that if the Inspector General does his job, there is going to be room for the Congressional Investigations which are required for this murder and mass intimidation of Americans which has been unleashed.

This needs to be under Grand Jury investigation and indictment now, and the reality is that if Randy Weaver's family being murdered by the BATFE and FBI at Ruby Ridge was a 100 million dollar Civil Law Suit, the murder of LaVoy Finicum is a billion dollar law suit.

What is taking place now is the Inspector General's investigation has the potential of freeing the entire Bundy Group, as it reveals a madness by this entire FBI operation.

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2016/03/special-agent-gregory-bretzings-murder.html

Continued in next post.

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[danamco]

WHY two (2) road blocks, when some 70 miles down the road, they could have peacefully arrested him ???

Proves it was a planned TRAP for killing somebody. And the video inside the van confirms a rat trap to kill someone !!!

[Moonman62]

Here’s a graphic some people may find helpful:

http://media.oregonlive.com/data/images/2016/03/08/Lavoy_Finicum-01.jpg

The full article:

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/investigation_of_fbi_agents_in.html

[Moonman62]

he was negociating to surrender himself to the Sheriff, to proper jurisdiction.

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If the LEO’s who stopped him had an arrest warrant for him, then negotiating and taking off for the Sheriff wasn’t a legal option.