Posted on 03/05/2016 4:39:02 PM PST by SeekAndFind
If Cruz doesn’t want a contested convention, why is he still in the race? At this point, a vote against Trump is a vote for a contested convention. Ted Cruz can’t win the nomination.
As I understand it it goes away completely
Both Trump and Cruz agree that Rubio needs to drop out.
Rubio can not win at this point. So his only reason for being in is to increase the likelihood of an open convention. That is the worst path the GOPe can take. But maybe they need to do it and put the nail in the coffin of the Republican party. Conservatives can start a new party or align with one already started.
Rule 40 can be changed procedurally at the start of the convention. The GOPe will only change it to get their desired outcome though.
“A contested convention is how Rubio wins. Or even Yeb! No way Trump or Cruz wins a contested convention.”
Don’t be too sure. If Trump is shy of the 50% needed, aligning with the person with the second most delegates, Cruz, would almost certainly get him enough to win the nomination. But that would mean making Cruz his VP.
Sure, a portion of the delegates would defect to the GOPe, but not all.
“Analyst on FBN slipped up tonight and said that since GOP is now backing Cruz, that explains his numbers.”
Sure. Rove’s weather machine broke which caused Rubio and Yeb to fail. But he got it rewired now to use mind control on the voters who are now supporting Cruz. Got it.
Cruz’s numbers are because Cruz is a good candidate. And conservatives recognize he is the best one in the race. He actually has a decent shot at winning the nomination AND the presidency despite all the naysaying otherwise.
“Establishment will sue Cruz for eligibility as soon as they get to their brokered convention”
Now I will never argue with someone over just how stupid the GOPe can get, but I just don’t see that happening. Maybe if the Dems charge Clinton and substitute Michelle Obama. Otherwise, I think trying to take Cruz out this way does not fit their M.O.
Usually used by dems.
They will falsely accuse and then say it doesn't matter if it is true or not, it's the severity of the (false) charges that matter.
Damage done, kind of like October surprised.
Rather did one to Bush but did it too soon and he got hauled up on his on petard. (still says it may be true)
FR was right on that one, thanks to Buckhead.
“Analyst on FBN slipped up tonight and said that since GOP is now backing Cruz, that explains his numbers.”
Really?
A third-party Trump-Cruz ticket could beat Clinton AND the GOPe candidate. Ordinarily a third-party candidate is a spoiler, but in this case the GOPe candidate would not win a single state.
Yeah, she said that the GOP coalesced around Cruz or a similar word. Then she said Rubio should be worried, the implication that they were abandoning him for Cruz.
The bottom line is that rule 40 can be changed and new rules enacted at the start of the convention. There is no law that can stop this.
But this will go over like a led balloon of it is used for the GOPe to completely cast aside the will of the voters and pick someone we did not want or choose. And the GOPe knows it.
Trump and Cruz represent total dissatisfaction of the base with the party right now. Not only is the top candidate anti-establishment, but so is the second. For a while, so was the third. What does that tell you? And they get it.
Picking someone other than the candidate with the most votes will result in mass defection and probably a third party run. It will also be the END of the GOP.
“Multiple reports”
Yeah, from the Trump campaign. Don’t like the results, just scream liar, liar, liar, cheater, cheater, cheater.
This is the consequence of spending too much of your life in an echo chamber. After a while you start to believe whatever happens to come out of your own mouth, no matter how ridiculous.
Please, Trump, stop with the nonsense. If there is really voter fraud, just prove it. “Seriousness of the allegations” theory only works on Democrats. Otherwise, get back to why voting for you will make America great.
If Trump had stayed on message the whole time, he would have already got the nomination wrapped up.
Yet that is Ted's plan. No one including Ted thinks he can win straight up so if he stays in, it's because he thinks he can deny Trump the delegates to win. He's working with the establishment to get to a brokered convention.
What poor old Ted doesn't get is that if Trump's out, the revolution's over and the establishment wins. Whatever they promise him, they will disqualify him and sue him as soon as he's helped them to the brokered convention. And the American people will never again be allowed to get this close to shaking off the chains of the establishment.
Your last sentence, no way.
Even with your parameters that wouldn’t have happened at this stage of the game.
Nice try though...
“Principled Conservative” Ted is going to hang his hat on a Dem Operation chaos throwing him the primary. As hysterical as this campaign has become you can bet if Hillary wraps up the nom Dems will be voting in huge numbers for their dream candidate: Ted Cruz.
Ted will take the nomination any way he can get it. He showed that in Iowa and again with all the straight out lies about Trump. I can’t stand to look at him anymore.
“Cruz went gutter in IA and a lot of lies afterwards. Jeff Roe who made up a candidate dropping out before still works for Cruz.”
I just refuted the factually incorrect information you are spreading.
No one on the Cruz campaign ever described Carson as “dropping out.” This lie has been repeated so often that people are convinced it actually happened.
What happened was that CNN reported Carson was taking a break AND NOT going to NH and SC. This meant he would be skipping the next TWO debates. That is not dropping out. But it would be signally that an announcement is forthcoming. Out of courtesy, other candidates generally let those who drop out make the announcement when and how they want to.
The story broke on TV and on Twitter just minutes before the caucusing began. The breaking news was passed along at time when it was impossible to retract. CNN probably did this on purpose to attack Carson. Or maybe it was just a mistake on their part, but I don’t trust them at all. Carson’s team initially blamed the media (others ran with the story too) for this.
If you want proof, just read what I posted in the last 24 hours to Fantasywriter.
If I could accurately predict the future I would be richer than Trump. Same thing if I knew for sure what would have happened IF...
Hopefully, the two, viable, anti-establishment candidates can now duke it out as gentlemen with no hitting below the belt.
Would just love to hear the two debate real conservative solutions on their merits rather than zingers and sound bites.
I am glad that it is coming down to my first two picks. Still prefer Cruz, can live with Trump, would be excited about a Trump-Cruz team. Pretty much how I’ve been the whole race.
He also understands that it will kill him if CPAC does what it intends - he will be seen as the one they are trying to help/boost despite what the People are indicating - we remember what they did in Mississippi to get rid of McDaniel so Thad Cochran (establishment-safe) could get reelected.
While I admire Cruz for saying it, don't think it's entirely altruistic in nature - they all want to win so bad they can taste it and it affects everyone, no matter how "pure".
Ted Cruz is spot-on.
RE: Yet that is Ted’s plan.
Interesting. Someone says something openly and yet people think he means something else.
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