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To: Kenny

No, Trump is saying that when we pay China $100 for goods we per se lose $100 regardless of the goods we get. That is what he is saying and what he means by the stupid concept called “trade deficit. It’s a lot of inflammatory rhetoric meant to stir up the kind of people who really have no clue about what is really going on - too many I think. If not correctly understood, economics can be a total mystery.

I’m not saying Trump means harm, but he’s off on this, I’m not sure why. He need to address the CORE ISSUES that drive business out because the feds have forced higher costs of doing business here than elsewhere, some of which I listed earlier.


210 posted on 03/03/2016 12:12:21 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

No. It means Americans bought $580 billions of dollars of goods more than what china bought from us. In other words there is more money leaving the US than what is coming in.How long can we sustain that trade scenario.


214 posted on 03/03/2016 12:17:32 PM PST by eastforker (The only time you can be satisfied is when your all Trump.)
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To: Jim 0216

A solid, conservative response to Trump’s lunacy.

Expect to get flamed.


219 posted on 03/03/2016 12:19:17 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Is that just what you have written on your "What Trump Means to Me" chalkboard?)
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To: Jim 0216

For a long, long time, I was an adamant free-trader....

IMO, part of the problem is that we let countries like China get away with targeting and taking out industries in the US. We do not aggressively enough pursue intellectual property rights. (I have considerable direct experience with that one!) And so on.

Plus, while I certainly agree that our own Gov’t is a huge part of the problem (regulations, etc.), countries that are considerably more Socialist, regulated, etc. (eg. Germany) are beating our pants off too. I just bought top line (for them) General snow tires (they really are terrific tires for the modest price) and where are they made? Germany! Higher value at modest cost TIRES from Germany? How the heck does that happen? This is far from the only example...

Further, if I buy groceries, almost all that money stays in my country, and circulates around. If my money goes to China, my neighbor may be out of a job, and if so cannot afford MY product.

Let’s say 10 million people in the US are out of jobs due to manufacturing going overseas, and ripple effects (I think that’s probably a very low figure). I’ll guess they would earn $50,000 per year if employed here. (Probably low, too.) That’s $500 billion dollars “not happening.”

Or, use a current example with a few modifications: Let’s say that for whatever reason, US oil production drops 50%, but is made up for by increased worldwide production, so prices stay stable. What does this do to the US economy? In particular what does it do when those oil production workers cannot find good jobs (or simply displace others in almost-as-good jobs)?

The value-received idea is good as far as it goes, but it is overly simple and does not account for other effects. It assumes that if some overseas company is good at producing widget A at low cost, we can always come up with widget X or service Z, to export (and not have immediately stolen!), to compensate. And it assumes displaced workers will find some other equivalent (in terms of overall cost of living) employment. For most of America’s history, those things were true. Unfortunately, they are true no longer.


271 posted on 03/03/2016 3:01:14 PM PST by Paul R.
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