Posted on 02/19/2016 8:23:10 PM PST by Rennes Templar
No, it was under a separate plan that the individual had to buy. I know these things. Trying to pay cobra is an insurmountable obstacle with, for example, cancer to cover.
How did this country survive for 250 years without the pre-existing coverage mandate? Now it is a good thing and a necessity so people won't "die in the streets".
Show me a single post prior to yesterday on this forum where anyone said that "THE MANDATE" is a good thing. Any mandate. I thought this was a conservative forum.
I agree with reinstituting the system before obamacare, but I would change preexisting coverage methods. They didn’t work. I have no idea why they zinged a worker but paid for a welfare client but they did. The worker could lose everything, stop working, and go on welfare I suppose. Better than letting your child die.
Show me any post that recognized that preexisting was a separate mandate/requirement.
To answer the other question. In the olden days it came down to a combination of charity or death I suppose.
If people would just go to the transcript of the debate!
Trump quickly corrected himself to “based on lies.” We have seen him say the exact opposite of what he meant to say, because of exhaustion on the campaign trail. Can we not give him the benefit of the doubt on this one? Because if you believe the Brit intel was a lie, then it was based on lies. No one knows right now whether Bush had secret information that the intel report was a lie. So we don’t know whether Bush lied about the intel. So let it go!
They think they are so crafty, but the transcript of the debate and the video remain. For Cripes’ sake!
I have no problem with working on that end. But there are already a number of safety nets for the poor.
If you happen to have a lot of assets when you come down with cancer and you don't have insurance, you are going to end up poor. That is why people who have money and assets are insane if they don't purchase health insurance.
But if you don't have assets and you don't have money, almost every state has some form of MediCal coverage and they don't deny you because you have a pre-existing condition. My daughter was in that position. She had no assets and wasn't making enough money to buy a personal policy. She came down with a debilitating disease, applied for MediCal and now has full coverage with no deductibles. If she had assets or a good job, then she might not have qualified. She isn't going to die in the streets.
She gets better treatment than I do for free and I'm paying $12,000 a year for my crappy coverage.
GW went into Iraq as a save face for family...Dad. Look at the Jeb! Campaign...it is all about them...the royal Bush family...Trump is completely correct in questioning the decisions of GW when another member of the Bush clan is running for POTUS.
When we despair the Imperial Presidency, many never think this of GW. I remember the “decider”. The anger at this man from me and mine is still there and ready to stop another member of the Bush and Clinton familes from holding the highest office of this country.
It still is, but the government has taken over the role of the Church. If the Church had insisted on holding onto that role, the churches would be filled on Sunday and people would be more active in the church. In many ways, the church community acted as the health care insurer for its active members. When people in the church got sick, they'd take up collections or they would use funds set aside from the general fund. People don't need the church anymore. People now look to government rather than God.
Something’s broke when you have to go broke to get coverage. I’m trying to figure out the same thing in a different question regarding my property and other assets. I’m told I can sign them over to my kids and thereby won’t lose them if wife or I come down with some serious illness, but it has to be in effect a number of years so as not to look like a manipulation transfer.
Strange world in which we live.
In mosaic law it would have come back to them in the year of jubilee. Sometimes I wonder if that wasn’t a more fair system.
We had another child in the church come down with cancer. We’re not a large church. we’re a typical country church. We raised thousands to help them defray costs incidental due to being 1.5 hours from hospital, down time from work, etc.
Our family experience is that intense cancer coverage is about a million bucks.
I’ve long believed that the existence of a big pot of insurance money drives up costs. Providers see that pot and charge based on its size and not on their actual expense.
Get rid of insurance altogether and I’m fairly certain costs will plummet.
Yes. The media is scum and it has been so for more than 50 years-—you just didn’t know all the lies and deceit (psychological warfare) before the internet. ALL MSM is totally controlled by the satanist/sodomites, and they ONLY allow viewpoints that will make their opposing ideas/people look dumb or stupid or bigoted. All is misinformation and lies mixed with enough truth to fool the ignorant masses and make them into dumb slaves.
They have been controlling Language and putting on a “dog and pony” show, since the 60s to destroy the ability for children and adults to have a coherent thought in their head, and they intentionally separate everyone into little groups (Marxism) to create division and hate-—esp. inside the family so they get total control of the children.
In the old days the states were more independent and could pass whatever “mandates” they wanted. Then if you didn’t like the laws in Pennsylvania in regard to something that was important, you could move to New Jersey.
The Federal Government has no constitutional authority to issue “mandates” regarding insurance coverage except as it pertains to land under federal jurisdiction.
Frankly from a bleeding heart perspective, if I wanted to abandon my conservative principles, I would favor the Mandate or some way of creating some kind of safety net. The only way to do that and make it work is for the government to be the insurer of last resort. I would favor some kind of fund that is paid through policies or even taxes that would ensure that people who lost their insurance could get coverage for pre-existing conditions without some bankrupting increase in premiums or a waiting period long enough to ensure that you either die or go bankrupt.
Constitutional conservatism is often a heartless way to view life. But the Federal Government was not set up to take money from Peter and give it to Paul. It has become a giant welfare distributor, which it was never intended to be and as a result people rely on the government as a safety net for their own bad choices as well as for unforseen catastrophes.
But the bigger the Federal Government gets, the more tyrannical it becomes. To be honest, I would prefer a policy where everyone is covered whether they want to or not to one in which people are mandated to buy something they don’t want or need. When you don’t need health coverage because you are healthy, it is easy to say that such things as government subsidies and MediCal and other social programs should not exist. But when you find your back to the wall facing bankruptcy or death, then I can understand putting your own welfare above any constitutional principles.
That being said, if I were to pick a candidate that I thought would be looking out for my interests and who had a big heart when it comes to other people’ money, I’d pick Kasich. But right now I have no reason to pick personal welfare over principle, so I will go hard right and go with Cruz.
I frankly don’t trust a word that comes out of Donald Trump’s mouth. He can promise the world, but he won’t deliver. (And he did mean the individual mandate).
As bad as Cruz is, he is the most principled conservative in the race. However, if getting and keeping my health insurance is my primary concern in life at the moment, then I would probably have to go with Kasich. He has a bleeding heart and if I need someone with a bleeding heart, then he would be the go to guy. Trump’s heart bleeds only for him. IMHO.
Don’t you ever sleep?
When I was growing up, we didn't have insurance, we had savings. But then the tax rates were much lower especially on working people so they could afford to go to the doctor and pay for it themselves. For many years before I became an attorney, I didn't have any insurance and we paid for our health care ourselves. When I was a kid, the church had a fund (This was the LDS BTW) that helped defray costs for members (who paid their tithing) so that if you ran into some huge medical expense or other catastrophe you would receive help.
Frankly if insurance only covered major illnesses and expensive medications and tests, then the price of insurance would plummet and people would be a little less likely to go to the doctor and demand tests and drugs for every little ache and pain.
You are right. If nobody had insurance, then very few people would actually need it. Honestly if I had every penny I have paid for health insurance back, it would be about 20 times the money the insurance company paid my doctors and pharmacies. Right now I am in the position where one of the medications I take would cost more than my monthly premium. If I didn't have insurance, I sure as heck would not be taking that medicine. I'd be using an old generic equivalent.
I'm rambling now. I've got to hit the hay.
Dog woke me up to take him out. After a while in the cold air getting back to sleep is as easy reading this cell screen as any other way.
I listen to audible history books. Set the timer for 15 minutes. ZZZZ
"I'm not slimy, I just look slimy."
You mean like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZeCOgPMjuc
or this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ6SXpj9lh0
Yes, speaking from high balconies to adoring masses comes to mind. .................................... LOL, what, not a loud voice from above the clouds? This has to be the greatest election spectacle in my lifetime. If this is what the future holds, bring on President Comacho.
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