Posted on 02/19/2016 5:07:38 PM PST by rpierce
Yeah, I tend to get too emotional about 14 dead innocent people.
Thanks for the feedback.
This is a really interesting issue that will get more interesting as it goes into the year.
Look, you think I’m improving the facts? What do you not understand? The fact that the FBI has bungled this case? The fact that the county should have had MDM on the employees phone like every other competent company chooses to do? The fact that there is no such thing as good enough encryption? The fact that you can’t build a back door method for only one entity?
Technology that I’m sure you love to use, has to be built with the intent of perfect secrecy and to strive for perfect privacy. Either we all have the notion of security or none of us do, including the agents who use these devices for government work and ship secrets back to us.
You don’t purposefully build a weakness into a secure system, and there is no such thing as only certain people have access to the break method.
It’s not dust I’m throwing, I’m trying to warn you of what this means from a global personal security pespective and I don’t believe you posess the ability to understand the importance of protecting the public’s privacy, and that’s likely from my piss poor explanation.
I’m sure you and your lawyer friends will be the first to stand up and sue security companies (Like mine) for not maintaining security best practices. Or God forbid all your bank transactions are intercepted and routed to another’s account... Or someone jumps in the middle of your secure transaction and defrauds you. But Lawyers get it both ways don’t they? They sue for doing too much, they sue for doing too little. All the while laughing all the way to bank.
Perhaps we should all just forego encryption, that way we can protect the children and catch those pesky terrorists... Because we know they will follow the law they wouldn’t dare use encryption! You see if we purposefully make weak systems the only people who are hurt are the law abiding folks whose information is now exposed, and exploited.
The Pew Research Center, which conducted the survey over the weekend, found substantial support for the Justice Department in its roiling fight with Apple over the software designed to protect consumers’ personal data.
Fifty-one percent of respondents said Apple should take steps to “unlock” the device, which the company could do by disabling a feature that wipes the phone’s storage after 10 incorrect passcode attempts. Meanwhile, just 38 percent said Apple should keep that protection in place, and 11 percent said they weren’t sure what to think.
“Perhaps we should all just forego encryption, that way we can protect the children and catch those pesky terrorists... Because we know they will follow the law they wouldn’t dare use encryption! You see if we purposefully make weak systems the only people who are hurt are the law abiding folks whose information is now exposed, and exploited.”
Perhaps we should all just forgo the security of being able to gather evidence in discovery and the use of warrants. “Sorry, my information is locked up. Tell all those kids their dead parents just aren’t that important.
“You don’t purposefully build a weakness into a secure system, and there is no such thing as only certain people have access to the break method.”
Encryption isn’t at stake, the FBI knows Apple already has the desired key
Whether you call it a “backdoor” or not, it’s important to recognize that the ordered changes to the iPhone operating system would not circumvent the core of the iPhone’s encryption. The court isn’t asking Apple to defeat the encryption in any way. Nor does the court require Apple to create a vulnerability that would jeopardize the security of any other phone. Rather, it’s asking Apple to do the one thing that Apple alone can do: use the iPhone’s built-in method of installing firmware written by Apple.
“Last Tuesday, Fight for the Future, an advocacy group, quickly organized a pro-Apple rally at the Apple Store on Stockton Street in downtown San Francisco. Representatives from the Electronic Frontier Foundation and a few dozen people showed up on short notice, so the groups are expanding their efforts.”
You should do a hook up with these other anti-government liberal activists. They hat America and the Constitution, too.
https://www.fightforthefuture.org/
They would probably appreciate your support.
Hey Dim Bulb, almost all the readers a Huff Po and DU and Kos are with you on this. You should cruise them for some moral support. You sounded a little stressed out in that last post.
Hey, a lpt of those DU and HuffPo comments look like they were written by you! Cut and paste?
“I’m sure you and your lawyer friends will be the first to stand up and sue security companies (Like mine) for not maintaining security best practices. Or God forbid all your bank transactions are intercepted and routed to another’s account... Or someone jumps in the middle of your secure transaction and defrauds you. But Lawyers get it both ways don’t they? They sue for doing too much, they sue for doing too little. All the while laughing all the way to bank.”
We will bury you assholes. You can’t thwart the security of the 4th amendment provided to the preyed upon by crooked lawless and disreputable companies or private entities by making information unobtainable in discovery. Use your head. It’s that lump of granite three feet above your ass.
Encryption is exactly what’s at stake. All encryption can be brute forced. The only variable is time. The protection of the system is limited life, based on improper pass key.
Apple doesn’t have a magic key to decrypt their phones, the FBI knows that. What they have is a certificate that signs their software... Thus they can load a NOT created software OS they have not written... The end result is the same. The FBI images the disk 100,000 times sends to AWS or other compute farms and runs pass cracking on it. Again the FEDS have the right to break it, I’m not disagreeing with that... Compelling a 3rd party to help you... I say NO!
Oh dear! I totally missed this! Well there you have it... 51% of Americans believe Apple should help! Well it’s settled!
In other news I’m going to pay 90% taxes on what I make because I make a certain threshold of money where 51% say I should be taxed more! They must be right!
After all we live in a democracy right? Let’s follow what the heard thinks!
I still believe that the 13th Amendment can apply! The government can have and pay for,the best security experts in the world and the best intelligence assets in the world, but they shouldn’t be able to force someone to circumvent the product or weaken the product they create in any way!
“Compelling a 3rd party to help you... I say NO!”
I know, but since you appear to change the facts every time you post something, it’s pretty clear you are either an idiot or a liar. This could easily have been done. We all know it. You are lost, you poor thing. Get some help. You keep whining that a third party can not be compelled to help in a legal action and you are so wrong it os off any chart ever created. So, I’m going to have to go with you are a liar, not stupid. Not that you don’t appear to be both. Your biggest failing, along with some of the other liars here, is that we all know this could have been done simply with no harm to Apple, yet that is what you have all said. That and you think you are so much smarter because you understand computers. This is about computers, though. Just as your callous indifference towards the dead shows, you are beneath contempt when it comes to the vlaue of equal protection for all. I pity you.
Feelings, nothing more than feelings....
FEEEEEEeeeeelings.....
But the All Writs Act (written by the Founders of our country and signed by George Washington - as I’ve mentioned) does give courts the power to compel 3rd parties to help with executing their orders.
From your point of view would Apple have a profitable product if they charged their customers for the overall costs of the legal work to challenge warrants for data?
I’d like to see a reputable company provide encryption so people don’t turn to hackers/criminals for it.
As I said earlier I’m aware unbreakable encryption will eventually be available to all whether we will or no.
Wow. Ok.
I’m very sorry you have had to stoop to such filth and name calling.
I believed us to be above this, but I fear we are just human after all.
God bless you Jess, I know you believe you have the best of intentions at heart. Perhaps you will someday see that I had the same, just from a different perspective and from a different skillset than you.
You missed also conveniently missed the part right before that that says only 30% supported Apple, but that is because they don’t know that Tech companies can easily develop products that prevent bad guys from going dark. That’s a red herring. They’re simply trying to wash their hands of accountability to law enforcement. Apple created this problem to sell more phones to naive customers worldwide.
Yes I’m by no means a expert on this but if this case has the potential to negatively impact Apples business causing an unreasonable burden. After all Apple is not a criminal in this case. To irrelevant as to whether Apple is profitable, the rah question in my mind, are they as profitable as they should be?
The founders had lots of things correct, but they did overlook the 13th amendment... Coming 100 years later...
13th Amendment
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]
So that is my take. All writs is proceeded by the 13th. The fed cannot compel a company who is not on trial, or being punished to serve the Fed involuntarily. Now let’s take that to,the Supreme Court and see?
If this needs to change then we need a new Law, and that should be done through legislation in Congress.
I’m glad you have the wherewithal to understand that strong encryption exists and will continue to exist, and will become standard whether we want it to or not. Only the good guys get screwed by anything that seeks to diminish the quality of personal privacy.
Yes of course, Apple evil. Got it.
I love how you round down your own statistic...
Let me assist:
For Apple helping 51%
For Apple standing ground 38%
People who are currently too ignorant to decide 11%
It’s far from decided in that poll.
Moreover if instead I ask...
“Would you be willing to remove all protection on your phone should you lose it, so that anyone could get the data on your phone?”
I wonder what the response would be then...
““Would you be willing to remove all protection on your phone should you lose it, so that anyone could get the data on your phone?â€
Well, the mass murderers would probably say no. Pornographers too. Especially the kiddie guys. The love those “short eyes” up in the prisons...but the average guy would probably be nowhere near as concerned as you might think. And if it was a question of complying with a court order, well...they wouldn’t have a say. their lawyer would have to deal with that.
“People who are currently too ignorant to decide 11%”
You’re such an asshole.
I wish you could see that it is not only good guys hurt by the Fourth Amendment.
If the courts cannot deliver justice (such little as Man can anyway) people will take it into their own hands to do so.
Then we all suffer.
You can rest assured that the SC will protect the power of the courts.
Thanks for the discussion.
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