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To: philman_36

Defining who is an alien. Well ok. That does not apply to those who are in classification of being a citizen at birth.

The wording which does apply to Cruz is "acquired" at birth, and "shall be citizens at birth". Hold fast to those concepts, carry them with you wherever you may roam within the codes and definitions.

The acquiring is from the U.S. citizen parent, although under law which not only acknowledges that it is AT BIRTH, but explicitly stipulates that it is from birth.

The first part of the above italicized sentence once again;

Persons born abroad to a U.S citizen parent are not in need of naturalization. They are already citizens, at birth.

Uh, excuse me, but the entire quote is defining those who are not citizens at birth, and who therefor if desiring to be a U.S. citizen, must indeed be naturalized.

I can hardly believe my own eyes reading the comments from birthers gone crusader against Cruz.

How about setting aside your own personal interests, even if those be along lines of "I said it, so now must search out evidence which will strengthen my case" (previous assertions) and try reading the codes and definitions while searching for the opposite of what you've been arguing.

Try to prove yourself wrong, try to see if what you've been saying can be falsified through taking a differing approach, a differing view, shorn of --- for lack of more apropos term perhaps--- what could be referred to as 'birther baggage'.

Perhaps; try taking my own responses, or else replies made on this thread by others which address the same issue more succinctly, and see if those can be seen to comport well with the statutes and definitions.

When it hits you between the eyes, keep reading, go over it again and again as many times as it takes ---

121 posted on 02/19/2016 11:05:05 AM PST by BlueDragon (TheHildbeast is so bad, purty near anybody should beat her. And that's saying something)
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To: BlueDragon
That does not apply to those who are in classification of being a citizen at birth.

Really?

Chapter 2 - Definition of Child for Citizenship and Naturalization
In general, a child for the citizenship and naturalization provisions is an unmarried person under 21 years of age who is:

The genetic, legitimated, [5] or adopted son or daughter of a U.S. citizen; or
The son or daughter of a non-genetic gestational U.S. citizen mother who is recognized by the relevant jurisdiction as the child's legal parent.

134 posted on 02/19/2016 1:37:14 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: BlueDragon
Persons born abroad to a U.S citizen parent are not in need of naturalization. They are already citizens, at birth.
If they follow the law they are indeed naturalized citizens. If they didn't have to go through some form of naturalization then why are there specific sections in the naturalization act that covers them? They have to be recognized first, don't they, and the law does that, doesn't it?
And even though they are citizens, if they or their parent/s followed the law and established such citizenship, they are not, however, natural born citizens.
135 posted on 02/19/2016 1:38:34 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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