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To: 2harddrive

RE: No, lying to a Nazi Officer to protect Jews is STILL a sin.

Well, we’ll have to disagree on this.

Sometimes — HIGHER MORAL LAWS (protection of innocent lives ) collide with LOWER MORAL LAWS ( LYING ).

I’ll only go as far as saying LYING IS A SIN, but the circumstances and the motive mitigates against culpability.

In other words, I believe God takes those into account when He deals judgment.

The Bible gives us such a case....

Before Moses was born, the Pharaoh (king) of Egypt had given a direct order to the Hebrew midwives to murder the newborn Hebrew boys.

“But the midwives feared God, and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the male children alive” (Exodus 1:17).

Not only did the midwives disobey Pharaoh, but when he questioned them about their actions, they lied saying, “Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women; for they are lively and give birth before the midwives come to them” (Exodus 1:19).

In spite of this, Exodus 1:20 states that God “dealt well with the midwives ... He provided households for them” (v. 21). How could God bless the midwives for disobedience and lying?

There is little question that the midwives both disobeyed Pharaoh by not murdering the newborn male children, and that they lied to Pharaoh when they said they arrived too late to carry out his orders. Nonetheless, there is moral justification for what they did.

First, the moral dilemma in which the midwives found themselves was unavoidable. Either they obeyed God’s higher law, or they obeyed the lesser obligation of submitting to Pharaoh.

Rather than commit deliberate infanticide against the children of their own people, the midwives chose to disobey Pharaoh’s orders. God commands us to obey the governmental powers, but He also commands us not to murder (Ex. 20:13).

The saving of innocent lives is a higher obligation than obedience to government. When the government commands us to murder innocent victims, we should not obey.

God did not hold the midwives responsible, nor does He hold us responsible, for not following a lower obligation in order to obey a higher law (see for instance Acts 4; Revelations 13).

In the case of the midwives, the higher law was the preservation of the lives of the newborn male children.

Second, the text clearly states that God blessed them “because the midwives feared God” (Exodus 1:21).

And it was their fear of God that led them to do what was necessary to save these innocent lives. Thus, their false statement to Pharaoh was an essential part of their effort to save lives.

Third, their lying is comparable to their having disobeyed Pharaoh in order to save the lives of the innocent newborns. This is a case where the midwives had to choose between lying and being compelled to murder innocent babies.

Here again the midwives chose to obey the higher moral law. Obedience to parents is part of the moral law (see for instance Ephesians 6:1).

But if a parent commanded his or her child to kill a neighbor or worship an idol, the child should refuse. Jesus emphasized the need to follow the higher moral law when He said, “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me” (Matthew 10:37).


54 posted on 02/18/2016 2:52:26 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What I am reporting is actual Roman Catholic theology per the Catechism. Now, remember too that the midwives did not lie to save the babies, which were already fine by that point. They lied to SAVE THEIR OWN LIVES, a still good, but less noble motive, because they knew the Pharaoh would have them tortured of killed for disobedience is he knew the truth. The Pope would reply that after helping with the babies, the women should have escaped to safety, or found some other way around the issue, but not lying, because that is using an evil means to achieve a good end.


68 posted on 02/21/2016 11:30:05 AM PST by 2harddrive
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