Posted on 02/17/2016 3:58:16 PM PST by Kaslin
Yes, and remember just above how Isaiah clarified? Apparently the animals were chased out — not people beaten. Scripture cannot contradict itself.
You put bitter for sweet and keep on doing it even when called on it.
Just by referencing Scripture? I think not.
I’m not the one looking for a fight. And you aren’t making a point, but are falling to worldly Alinskyite accusations, with all due respect.
And nobody can “deserve” mercy, buster. Right away that puts you on the wrong wavelength with respect to God. You’ve been hoping to “deserve” it. The age old folly of Eden. Knowledge of good and evil, it dances at your call. Rather than at the call of God. “I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy.” No deserving there: only a policy. Even if you HATE the policy like Jonah did with respect to Nineveh (and he took a trip in a fish to prove how determined God was).
It is a universal free offer; just approach Him with the attitude that you accept it for His purposes of restoration and return, and it is yours. It parallels grace.
What you will not get mercy or grace from, is Satan. And God will definitely, if not with gladness, turn you over to Satan if you insist on getting on the wrong wavelength. You may even sound like Satan’s spokesman before this process is over. But you will rue it in the end, once you come to your senses. (IF you do.)
Now I wonder in a way why I bother. Well if you don’t get the point, someone else might. Like the Proverbs say: flog a mocker, and the simple will learn wisdom. (”Hey, if this happens to mockers, maybe I had better not go any further in that direction.”) Doesn’t say anything about the mocker learning wisdom, by the way. Just the simple.
Just by interpreting scripture in a way that is impossible when scripture is compared to scripture. That’s all.
Yes you did pick a fight. I don’t know what Alinsky has to do with scripture; let’s talk about scripture, okay? It makes it a lot simpler.
Just please calm down.
Many people have ideas of God that didn’t even so much come from the bible, as they came from the attitudes of the humans that in turn preached about God to them. This is a very easy trap to fall into.
God insists on one route: TEACHING. Even the word Torah means teaching. There’s no back of the book to turn to and glibly rattle off the answers, and voila you get a 100% grade.
Assuming we are willing (and some people are not) — we’re sinners but we’re being taught righteousness. And it is not complete till we get to heaven. All this is 100% backed up by scripture.
Now why did homosexual relations get singled out for such a bad rap, if they like other sex sins could be so readily repented? As yours truly and many others are vigorously asserting, with scriptural backup as well?
Well I posit there is a very easy answer. Until modern days, people took pride in their families. It was instinctual. Not to be able to father or mother a child was considered shameful, even on a worldly level. Hence homosexuality as willful or habitual act was known as a wrong not just from a standpoint of holiness, but even from a standpoint of worldly pride. If you wanted a stronger example of something everybody would agree was very bad, there probably wasn’t one.
Our modern “zero population growth” liberals have thrown a monkey wrench into that presumption. This is an attitude that the bible does not assume. And it isn’t very long after such an attitude is taken, that one would reason from it that all manner of sexual perversions are just wonderful. Don’t believe it? I do. I had an old science book by the atheist George Gamow that has exactly this kind of statement. Published in the 1950s.
No; you replied to me. My comment was to the effect that the Jesus of the first coming would certainly not slay homosexuals, but that Jesus in the second coming would be a different matter, especially towards the stiff-necked and unrepentant (just to expand a little). And thus far, I cannot see aught in scripture that deviates from such.
Very good summation.
Well and fine, but I think we are talking about wrath of this sort coming upon a whole spectrum of sinners. Not singling out a certain sin as most bad, or as excluding the sinner from the possibility of mercy, grace, and repentance. The questions are independent.
I don’t think homosexual relations got cited at the top of the rogues’ list because it is tantamount to an unforgivable sin — but because it would throw a monkey wrench into what, until very recently, was considered a duty or mitzvah (to use Jewish terminology) for all mankind. As habit, it can even be bad enough to render males impotent towards females. Females would have less trouble accepting copulation, but then they would stink as mothers (”butch dyke”).
Also the iron rod might not even bespeak violence so much as firmness of spiritual control. This is when the lion will lie down with the lamb and a little child will lead them. The wildness will have been suppressed by main force — NOT against human sinners, but against the devil!
If this is a proper take, then the question of wrath on anyone but Satan at that time might be mooted. Nobody, or almost nobody, would do anything bad enough to evoke wrath, at least till the period has ended.
I tend to be very annoyingly optimistic about the attitude of Christ, but such is the condition of being born again.
We Jews take “thou shall not commit murder” very seriously.
Also, Torah very plainly states homosexuality is a sin against God, not man. Therefore the Jew must repent to God, not man.
Too many translations got that wrong.
Not for the same reason as Muhammed, I'd guess.
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Mark 11:15
On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves,
Scripture cannot contradict itself.
AMEN!
I find it MUCH easier to teach what the bible actually says; than to UNteach what it doesn't!
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Can you illustrate this?
Pastis will GET you for that tagline!
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