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If Donald Trump wants to sue Ted Cruz for being born in Canada, he better do it soon
Business Insider ^ | 02/16/2016 | Allan Smith

Posted on 02/16/2016 5:09:18 PM PST by SeekAndFind

If Republican presidential front-runner and business mogul Donald Trump wants to sue Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), over his eligibility to run for president, he's going to have to do so within days.

Wait any longer, and it might be too late to matter.

In a lengthy Facebook post Trump wrote Monday, the GOP front-runner called Cruz "the single biggest liar I've ever come across" and "a totally unstable individual."

Then Trump threatened to file a lawsuit against Cruz claiming he is ineligible to run for president because he was born in Canada.

Legal experts said Trump must act quickly if he's serious.

"It could be that Super Tuesday will end the race, and if he doesn't do it before Super Tuesday then the race is effectively over," Adam Winkler, a constitutional law professor at UCLA, told Business Insider. "If he's going to challenge Cruz's eligibility, he should do so soon."

Rick Hasen, an election law professor at the University of California at Irvine, agreed, telling Business Insider in an email that, "The longer he waits, the more likely a court would say he's waited too long."

ted cruzAP Photo/John BazemoreTed Cruz.

Although most legal experts believe that Cruz is eligible for the presidency because his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, federal courts have never ruled on a presidential candidate's eligibility based on the Constitution's "natural-born" citizen requirement.

The potential Trump lawsuit wouldn't be the first challenging the eligibility of a candidate, however.

Winkler said Trump will need to prove that he is being "injured" by Cruz being in the race in order to show he has "standing" to sue. He added that courts have ruled that candidates would be injured -- which would involve losing votes and/or money -- because of an ineligible candidate.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: naturalborn; tedcruz; tinfoilhattrump; trump
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To: D-fendr

Yes, two. One- a citizen. Two- a natural born citizen. Cruz is definitely NOT THAT.


41 posted on 02/16/2016 5:58:18 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
One is NATURALLY a US citizen when one cannot possibly be anything else. Born here of citizen parents. Natural born citizen.

Repeating your mantra doesn't make it any closer to being true. Present evidence or quit spamming.

42 posted on 02/16/2016 6:01:43 PM PST by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: SeekAndFind

How is Canadian law relevant to American law???

let’s say everybody has the same law as American law... I’m sure there are some countries in this world that have or could have if they wanted the same laws as the US on citizenship.. so let’s say its one those countries

would he be a natural born citizen of two countries? that sounds like an oxymoron being a natural born citizen of two countries it’s like saying you’re two people at the very least you’re saying you have two loyalties.. I was under the impression the whole point of natural citizen clause was to eliminate dual loyalties in the President

Does American law allow you to be a natural born citizen of two countries?..

who would drafting him if they went to war

who would he be a traitor to if they went to war

and again funny so so funny that this “one American parent and you are an natural born American no matter where you are born” ... that the Cruz people now are claiming ....never came up with the Obama birther.... no one, no one on this board ever said that when people going on about Obama

no one in seven years said about Obama’s birth... “hey that’s irrelevant you’re an American citizen if you have one American parent ...the law is so clear you can be born anywhere in the world and just need one American parents and your natural born American ....so why do you care about his birth certificate?”

I see a bunch of hypocrites on this board


43 posted on 02/16/2016 6:04:20 PM PST by tophat9000 (King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans Patriot%s are in rebellion... teach him why)
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To: tophat9000

RE: Does American law allow you to be a natural born citizen of two countries?..

No, that is why you have to ACTIVELY RENOUNCED Citizenship in one country.


44 posted on 02/16/2016 6:07:22 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
The man is worth 10,000 million dollars, none of it made via some internet website.

That settles it for me - I guess I'm going to wait on Michael Bloomberg to announce since he's worth 40,000 million dollars.

45 posted on 02/16/2016 6:08:54 PM PST by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Natural born’ US citizen means, born of two US citizen parents birthed on US soil.

Only Cruz’s parents could give him ‘natural born’ US citizenship... and delivered him upon US soil.


46 posted on 02/16/2016 6:09:33 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Gil4

It’s a self-evident truth.

Read the letters Jay and Washington exchanged.
Foreign national fathers and foreign born were their primary concern and why they inserted natural born citizen.
They wanted no foreign influences on the President.
Vattel was the source.
It has been confirmed in Minor vs Happersett and in the writings of the author of the 14th Amendment and is what I was taught in school before the communists took over education.


47 posted on 02/16/2016 6:14:31 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
The man is worth 10,000 million dollars, none of it made via some internet website

Good for him. Then let him sue or shut up.

48 posted on 02/16/2016 6:15:35 PM PST by hadaclueonce (This time it is serious.)
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To: tumblindice

The Kenyanesian’s foreign father was enough to make him ineligible. It does not matter where he was born.


49 posted on 02/16/2016 6:19:10 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: tophat9000

Actually, there were some who did eventually come around to generally saying that (though perhaps not entirely specifically inclusive of all you just said).

I can't say I in any way led the charge, but after a while was persuaded by those who presented the legal reasoning. Long before I'd much heard of Cruz.

What there may have been which remained as challenge to the man who used to go around telling people he was born in Kenya before he didn't, was about other peculiarities.

50 posted on 02/16/2016 6:19:38 PM PST by BlueDragon (TheHildbeast is so bad, purty near anybody should beat her. And that's saying something)
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To: hadaclueonce

With that I will sue attitude I bet Trump got beat up a lot in grade school.

Oh no! Wait. He did not go to public schools.

OMG! People are willing to trust the free world safety with the worlds biggest ego.


51 posted on 02/16/2016 6:20:46 PM PST by hadaclueonce (This time it is serious.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The sooner Trump sues the sooner it gets thrown out for lack of standing.


52 posted on 02/16/2016 6:22:14 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump could make the case that he is having to spend money to counter Cruz’s attacks. That the Cruz attacks may hurt him in the General election.


53 posted on 02/16/2016 6:32:51 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

If Trump does not sue the Dems most likely will.


54 posted on 02/16/2016 6:48:05 PM PST by orinoco (Orinoco)
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To: orinoco
If Trump does not sue the Dems most likely will

What is St. Donald waiting for? Put up or shut up.

55 posted on 02/16/2016 7:14:44 PM PST by hadaclueonce (This time it is serious.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

>>>Yes, two. One- a citizen. Two- a natural born citizen.

You left out: naturalized citizen, makes three.

There’s only two: either born a citizen or citizen after birth via naturalization.


56 posted on 02/16/2016 8:33:20 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

A naturalized citizen is just a citizen, so they are the same. And you just made my argument for me, and you don’t even know how or why.


57 posted on 02/16/2016 8:35:32 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

>>>A naturalized citizen is just a citizen

So there is a ‘special citizen’? And born a citizen = naturalized citizen.

Sorry FRiend. You’re either born one or have to go through naturalization. There’s no third category.


58 posted on 02/16/2016 8:43:51 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
What types of citizenship are there?

There are two types of citizenship:
1. Citizenship from birth
2. Citizenship through naturalization

Source: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
59 posted on 02/16/2016 8:47:19 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

SOURCE: http://uscode.house.gov/statviewer.htm?volume=66&page=236#

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:

Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical- presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;

FROM THE ABOVE — Cruz is a CITIZEN AT BIRTH. He got his American passport without having to go through the naturalization process. Therefore, he IS a natural born American citizen.

I’d like to see Trump file a lawsuit and get around this law.


60 posted on 02/16/2016 8:50:49 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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